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I'm in 10A - as we approach Summer what temperature range is the cutoff for using oils, and can soaps be used during the hottest part of the hyear?

That's my problem. Most oils can't be sprayed above 85-90F. Where I live, that's when the trees are flushing and I see the most pests. I resort to spraying the trees off with a hose every week or so.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to notch?
« on: May 19, 2023, 07:19:14 PM »
I don't have much experience with notching. However, I tried it after watching some videos. My tree branched out just about everywhere except where I notched. So.... I don't put too much stock in notching.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: April 11, 2023, 09:37:27 AM »
Cool! Looking forward to hearing your results after a bit of time!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shipping Scionwood to California
« on: April 08, 2023, 09:24:29 PM »
My preliminary searches indicate probably no, but curious if it is possible ship cuttings from non-HLB states to California, or if the only honest legal way is through the CCPP. CCPP is sort of expensive and as a beginner with not a large budget I'm trying to figure out alternative methods of getting scion wood. Also as a beginner at grafting, I've failed quite a bit on citrus so need a little support from having extra.

I just ordered budwood through Arizona's certified program. It was much cheaper for me than CCPP, but I don't know CCPP's in-state cost. Arizona's program was $1/bud and no minimum bud requirement. They were generous with their bud count, too. I don't know if AZ ships out to CA (or other states, for that matter). Dr. Glenn Wright heads up the program in AZ. His contact info is

I grew Rough Seville from seed last year, didn't notice many multiple seedlings if any. If the seedlings are fairly uniform, and none or few jump out as variants should be OK.

I got 1 seedling per seed from my Seville seeds

Thank you both, I'll stop hyperventilating!

Bergamot is the scent in Earl Grey Tea. Sour Orange, Citrus aurantium has quite strong scented leaves.
The fruit and seeds are fairly distinct, ( also the juice flavour ) if you look at the pics in the UC Riverside link.
Overall your pics look like sour orange, but I would put all the info together.
There might be a few types and hybrids used as rootstock.

Thanks for the info! I'm pretty sure the parent tree was a type of sour orange. They are definitely ornamental (vs. edible) and are not trifoliate. I can't think of what else it would have been. I guess what worries me is when I hear that sour orange seeds are polyembryonic and produce multiple sprouts per seed. And that was not my experience at all. Perhaps I did not get true-to-type seedlings and my goal to have sour orange rootstock was thwarted.

Most Sour Orange have Bergamot scented leaves. Smooth Seville probably a Pummelo Sour Hybrid doesn't have much scent.
Leaves of Seville are pointy trowel shaped with wide petioles.

When I grafted and had to remove many leaves, there was definitely a strong, pleasant scent. I don't know what Bergamot smells like though. These are the leaves from my seedlings.

Sour orange was the go to rootstock until Tristazia various struck.  If you live in an area without the disease Sour Orange is an outstanding rootstock.  I have an inground Sour Orange tree, so I am able to get all the seed I can ever use.

Do you get multiple seedlings per seed? I ask because I am growing seedlings from what I believed were sour orange. They came from the fruit of ornamental orange trees growing all over my neighborhood. Local parks department said they were sour orange. I germinated 18 seeds and only one sprouted two seedlings. I was counting on these seeds being true to mother based on polyembryony, but I did not observe polyembryony at all. So I worry that what I spent the last 17 months growing and just grafted onto may not actually be sour orange.....

Citrus General Discussion / Re: moving potted citrus
« on: April 06, 2023, 01:51:17 PM »
I'm just picturing the look on his face when one breaks off...  :P

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: March 27, 2023, 07:44:58 PM »
I do not screen the Turface MVP.  I use it right out of the bag. The product comes highly uniform in texture.  I mix it with either peat or Miracle grow Garden Soil.  Both mixes are good, but blended with Miracle Grow Garden soil is even better..


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: March 27, 2023, 05:46:12 PM »
... However, I have found that Turface MVP and Peat is far superiors as a medium for container citrus trees..

Do you screen your MVP to a particular size?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: February 28, 2023, 11:51:18 PM »
Thanks Millet!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yet another soil thread
« on: February 28, 2023, 05:05:28 PM »
...  However, I have found that Turface MVP and Peat is far superiors as a medium for container citrus trees..

Are you using MGGS or straight peat? I've used this for about 1 year and saw that roots are starting to get exposed at the top. I assume it's from the MGGS breaking down, and not the MVP. Should I just add more MGGS to the top, or more 50/50 mix? My tree is very happy in it, but man is it heavy!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cedar or redwood lime container possible?
« on: February 15, 2022, 02:20:36 PM »
I just built a planter out of cedar and redwood, although I am still putting the pot inside the container so my use is different than yours.

Since the wood is only on the outside and not a significant portion of your potting mix, I don't see leaching being a big issue.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Trying A New Growth Medium
« on: December 23, 2021, 06:33:24 PM »
The Turface MVP:Peat mix (50:50 mix) that caused me to start this post last September, is now 3 months old.  So far it looks and acts  exactly like it did on day one.  When testing the 50:50 determining when to water I still use my finger, and stick it into the medium its full length.

One Note: Miracle Grow Garden Soil is not the same throughout the country.  Here in Colorado and in Laaz's area it is a good draining medium.  In other parts of the country it is made from different ingredients and thus different characteristics.

Stick your finger in the length of your finger and water if dry?

I will do a drain test on the MG before I pot a tree in it. In in Phoenix and I assume the MG will be fast draining, but if not I'll find another substitute. I feel like I need to try something besides variations on 5-1-1.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Trying A New Growth Medium
« on: December 23, 2021, 03:04:09 PM »
How do you tell when to water the 50/50 mix? As I understand it, the turface stores water and releases it to the soil as needed. So do you go by the feel of the soil, or the color of the turface, or some other method?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Trying A New Growth Medium
« on: September 28, 2021, 09:42:10 PM »
I'm currently "in the market" for a new growth medium. I have a hard time sourcing the pine bark fines for the 5-1-1. I was going to try the 1:1 potting soil/Turface, but after hearing Brian's experience, maybe I'll rethink. How do we know if we have the "right" MG Garden Soil in our region?

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