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Foreign mango familiarity
« on: August 24, 2023, 09:21:50 PM »
So here I am living in Thailand with no access to Zill mangos besides the ones I came here with.  There are some folks here selling trees from Myanmar, Taiwan, India/Pakistan, Israel, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Philippines.  I'm looking for a couple that has the flavors/complexities of some of the upper tier Zill mangos or at least could compete with them.  Anyone familiar with the following?  Keep in mind that the spelling might be off and probably is on some, but these are the names I've pulled.  Thanks!

Sein ta lone/diamond/guava - myanmar
ah ping - taiwan
harum manis - taiwan?
chaunsa/chonza - pakistan
Anwar Ratol -pakistan
Sai-Ci Mango or Si-Ci - taiwan
Bangana palli - india
Hong Mi Huang - Taiwan
Sanlin/salin/sallin - Taiwan I believe
Guimaras - philippines
Sai-Ci Mango or Si-Ci Mango - Taiwan
Ping Guo Wen or Phing Ku Win - Taiwan
Maya - Israel

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2023, 10:15:08 PM »
Ah ping should have originated in HI. It's noted to be a classic flavor mango.

Guava is a nice one too, but didn't really hit with me - maybe a hint of spiciness which I'm not a big fan of.

Hope the little information provided helps.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2023, 10:28:12 PM »
Quite a few on the list are very highly regarded in their own areas, but will differ greatly in taste.

None of them are likely to share flavors with the newer Zill releases. But compete with them is a matter of opinion.

I'd say give them all a shot.

Alex @Tropical Acres Farms is probably the best resource for comparisons and has tried several from the list.

I was really impressed by guava this year, very different flavor profile from Zill's releases, but special in its own way.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2023, 10:56:18 PM »
Guava is intensely sweet and guava-y.
It's not my cup if tea but I know some who but it up there.
Maya is a classic flavor mango, been on my want to try list.
I have aromanis, which is supposed to be the same as harumanis, it's Indochinese in flavor but not super flavorful

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2023, 11:17:13 PM »
Sien ta Lone aka Guava is one of my favorite mangoes. Wish I had some now.

Agree with Oolie, "give them all a shot!"

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2023, 01:03:42 AM »
Guava's original name is Priyoor from India.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2023, 05:25:49 AM »
Sien ta Lone aka Guava is one of my favorite mangoes. Wish I had some now.

Agree with Oolie, "give them all a shot!"

Sien ta Lone may be a diffrent mango from myanmar.
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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2023, 05:39:11 AM »
Guava's original name is Priyoor from India.

Lots of people from Kerala incliuding the University of Kerala will say they are the same mango. Because the new generation never tasted a Perakka manga.
But I think Perakka manga and Priyoor  from Kerala India are two diffrent mangoes. Original perakka manga have  guava flavor  and its a lost mango hard to find. Priyoor does not have any guava flavor.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2023, 10:59:27 AM »
Guava's original name is Priyoor from India.

Lots of people from Kerala incliuding the University of Kerala will say they are the same mango. Because the new generation never tasted a Perakka manga.
But I think Perakka manga and Priyoor  from Kerala India are two diffrent mangoes. Original perakka manga have  guava flavor  and its a lost mango hard to find. Priyoor does not have any guava flavor.

Is Perakka also polyembryonic?
I have noticed that the guava variety doesn't always have guava as the dominant flavor, but it is often present.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2023, 11:41:06 AM »
"Harum Manis" is highly regarded variety in Java (Indonesia). I've grafted 2 scions from 2 different sources, but the fruits that emerged looked so much different and the taste were very disappointing, I topworked the tree and replaced them with Florida's varieties.
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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2023, 07:56:23 PM »
Just tried a tray of Chaunsa here in Australia. Very nice, slight Durian note. Also coconut. I ate too many Mangoes free off the trees on my first days in Cairns, so most varieties are not top of my list, but these were really nice.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2023, 08:32:34 PM »
Durian note??  I like durian, but that would be the last thing I would want in a mango!

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2023, 04:38:30 PM »
Durian note??  I like durian, but that would be the last thing I would want in a mango!

It's a note common to both fruits. I've especially noted it in dried durian snacks, and in the Maha Chanok mango. I've even found it in fridge-fermented chicken.

It's not sulfurous, but fruity in a tropical way.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2023, 05:25:33 PM »
A couple of those I have some experience with. Harumanis or Aero manis is a mango I've had a few times, it's pretty ordinary. Tastes good but nothing spectacular IMO. No comparison to the new zill varieties. What you are calling Guimaras mango is simply the Carabao mango grown in the town of Guimaras in the Philippines. It is well known as being one of the sweetest mangoes in the world, but it's just like Carabao. I have tasted them numerous times now. Carabao is very good, but not overly exciting.
One mango I might suggest is Po Pyu Kalay from Myanmar. It's a very exotic mango that a lot of people compare to the Zill greats - Lemon Zest and Orange Sherbet.
The others I might focus on are the indian or Pakistani varieties - Chaunsa, Anwar Ratol, and Banganapalli. These types I think are very complex and spicy.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2023, 08:01:00 PM »
Thank you Brev!  I've been leaning towards those last three.  I agree.  Sweet is good, but it has to have some complexity and excitement!  The Po Pyu Kalay is Lemon Meringue, and I do have this one growing.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2023, 10:25:54 AM »
Hey Tropicalfruithunter, which Zill mango varieties did you take with you and how have they performed?

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2023, 09:05:49 PM »
Hey Eggo dude!  How ya been?  I brought:  Creme Brulee, Lemon Meringue, Fruit Punch, M4.  I also brought a bunch of cuttings of other varieties that I grafted onto some large seedling trees after arrival.  All were pushing growth just fine and then I made a newbie mistake.  Got impatient and tossed some fertilizer on them and moved them into more sun.  All a little too soon and the fertilizer turned out to be a lot hotter than I anticipated.  Lost every single one, must have been 8-10, except for a sugarloaf.  The graft was failing, but the scion still had some juice left.  I was able to successfully graft it onto another seedling.  About a month ago, the Creme Brulee just up and died on me.  No idea why, but sure does piss me off.  The M4 and Sugarloaf are doing fantastic.  The Lemon Meringue and Fruit Punch seem to be struggling for some reason.  Going to try and get a bunch more sent over in a few months.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2023, 10:41:33 AM »
Been doing good and venturing into mango collecting the last few couple years.  That sucks to hear about the grafts. Hopefully you get your hands on some more. Definitely interested how these new zill varieties end up handling 100% tropical weather out where you are ahah

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2023, 05:21:38 AM »
Guava is intensely sweet and guava-y.
It's not my cup if tea but I know some who but it up there.
Maya is a classic flavor mango, been on my want to try list.
I have aromanis, which is supposed to be the same as harumanis, it's Indochinese in flavor but not super flavorful

Maya is just a classic taste as you described but you're really not missing anything. Most Israeli varieties are bred to appeal to the western markets where looks and bland taste are privileged.

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Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2023, 10:41:28 PM »
I would definitely try them all. How much do they cost over there?
They were selling for $4-$8 a pound this season over here at some places.

 

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