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1. Coconut cream - no fruit in 6 plus years, always has fungus/disease issues (in my yard) and a scraggly growth habit like an octopus with branches growing down most of the time. Sad to say I never tasted it. Never plant one again.

2. Alphonso - doesn't produce in florida

3. Mallika - Never could get the timing right and always tasted like a vegetable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Late(r) Season Mango Question
« on: June 13, 2021, 01:12:02 PM »
Cotton Candy and M4 are two really great tasting mangoes. I have a CC tree which held fruit into august last year. Of note, I knocked down about a half size cotton candy mango last month and let it ripen just to see, and it was not bad about a week later. Not that sweet, but good. M4 I have grafted and waiting excitedly for fruit. But I had one from zills a couple years ago and it was fantastic, even though it was mostly dull green. Lots of coconut flavor. I did not like little Gem. Had an aftertaste similar to Graham to me.

E.

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Baileys Marvel, PPK, Edward, Maha Chanok, Rosigold - In that order.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: venus mango
« on: April 25, 2021, 01:49:26 PM »
Do you see a lot of fruit split with this variety?
I have had fruits on mine for two seasons now and last year just about all the fruits split (I only let it hold a few and it dropped some itself).
This year, it has dropped most fruits but of 4 that have reached a good size, one split this morning and our bif rain event was a week or so ago.  We didn't even have a much if any rain in the last 3 days.  I am in southeast florida and inland and have relatively relatively higher humidity than coastal regions.


The link below is to my post from last year with a picture of the split fruit.  The two posts that follow have some information about the variety, including its susceptibility to MBBS.  I am not removing the branch (at least not yet) but I am not making it its own stand alone tree either.
 
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=35738.msg385360#msg385360



I have not seen any Venus split on my tree (topworked branch on Alphonso) that I can remember in 3-4  years of production. It's a richly flavored mango in my opinion and quite productive. It does seem to drop a lot of fruit before maturing, but it sets so many that I still get a good amount. I have not had any disease issues like anthracnose. A rosigold that is about 15 ft away gets decimated each year with Anthracnose. I like it very much and plan to plant a tree someday. I say give it a chance, maybe something else is going on like MBBS splitting the fruit. I have been lucky so far, although a Keitt tree is very close to the Venus also. This has been my experience with venus.

E.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top ten tree mango list
« on: March 23, 2021, 03:41:13 PM »
My 10 or so must have trees:

Carrie: Taste, disease resistance, and manageable tree.
Sweet Tart: Taste, Productivity, disease resistance.
Bailey's Marvel - Taste
Lemon Zest - Taste
Rosigold - very early season, productivity, manageable tree
Venus - Taste, productivity, disease resistance
Cotton Candy - Taste, productivity, seems to have good disease resistance at my place first two seasons fruiting
Fruit Punch - Productivity, Taste, and looks like good disease resistance at my place
Pickering - Productivity and tree size
Lemon Merengue - Taste, productivity
Honey kiss - productivity, tree size, late season
Keitt - Taste, productivity, manageable tree, latest season
Dwarf Hawaiian - productivity, tree size, early season

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I have been using this method for a few years now and they are probably only a slight deterrent to squirrels. As soon as they realize there are mangoes inside, it's game on and they will chew through the plastic to get at them. Metal cages may be more effective. I do find though, that those clamshells are a good deterrent for birds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Valencia Pride - Dwarf Tree
« on: October 24, 2020, 01:35:16 PM »
I think that any typically vigorous mango can be dwarfed by an off-type rootstock. I have an Edward (maybe 7 years in ground) that is no taller than 7 feet and gives about 10-12 mangoes each year. Nice little dwarf, except the space was for a big tree...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian smell
« on: October 24, 2020, 12:50:49 PM »
If you walk by a grocery store in the Philippines, you can tell if they carry durian by the aroma. It does smell before you cut into it, just not as strong. They typically discourage durian on public transportation due to the offensive smell. But it sure does taste amazing if you can keep an open mind, and possibly give it a few chances!:)

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Yes, if you graft your seedling onto a mature tree, you should get fruit in a couple of years rather than having to wait possibly 8-10. Essentially bypassing the juvenile period. I don't know of a faster way to try your new variety. :)

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I still have a tree full of keitt, 2 NDM, 1 LZ, and 2 of a seedling tree. Still eating ST from the fridge.

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I think that the spiciness of a mango is different for each person's taste buds. Of the above mentioned mangoes, I detect absolutely no spiciness in a Carrie for the many years I've eaten it. ST Maui also has no spice, just sweet mango. Graham on the other hand has a medicinal taste that I dislike and am topworking. On an interesting note, I find that fruit punch has the same smell as a Graham, but tastes totally different. Great mango!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is your 2020 grafting list?
« on: June 11, 2020, 01:20:28 PM »
If I were you, I wouldn't bother with Graham. Unless you have tried it already, you probably won't like the flavor. It also seems to drop a lot of its fruit before ripening.

I am planning to graft some OS, Guava, Seacrest, honey kiss, Ceci Love and M4. E4, son pari and phoenix are also a possibility.

I've read that Graham tastes great, and produces really well in Florida.

Video from TT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vy2VTo5ALI

It is definitely my opinion on taste, although others seem to agree it's not the best tasting mango around. Mine does not produce very well and that could be my own cultivation practices. So it's getting top-worked to different, more interesting varieties. Honeykiss is on top of the list.

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I think your problem is that you have planted two highly susceptible to anthracnose mango trees. Southern blush and Kent should not even be planted anymore unless you are growing in ideal conditions. ie. close to ocean or on Merritt Island. There are so many varieties out now that are better and should not require spraying. Check out a video by Truly Tropical on youtube about Marlys Zill. She lives in a humid area and they list some mangoes that perform well there. You can cut off some branches and start top working your trees to other varieties, or just plant some new ones that are resistant.
The Pickering mango should fruit semi-decent even in high disease prone areas.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Heavy bearing mango varieties
« on: May 20, 2020, 10:19:56 AM »
Disease pressure and health of the tree play a major role also. Haden is considered heavy bearing but hardly produces fruit in my yard due to the humidity and anthracnose pressure. Keitt and Kent are also heavy bearers under ideal circumstances. Tommy Atkins of course. Kathy and sweet tart are heavy if close to the ocean. Valencia pride produces tons of mangoes in my area. Truly tropical has a video of their most productive mangoes on youtube.

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I kind of had the same question about sweet tart, the sibling of K3. Full shoulders, browning of the stem near the fruit, and the obvious color changes are what I look for. Need to get them before the squirrels!

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I say use whatever is available to you. I have numerous seedlings I plan to graft to and have grafted to others already with good success. Besides, I like to see if you get something good from the original seedling. Might find a new excellent variety:)

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The only true dwarf mangoes are Julie and possibly Pickering and maybe ice cream. Semi dwarf wold be Graham, Rosigold, Honey kiss, Neelam. The rest I believe are pretty much full size although some are easier to manage size on. That "super dwarfing roostock" of Dr. Campbell's I'm sure will not be available to us common folk anytime soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what type of mango is this
« on: May 03, 2020, 11:30:41 AM »
I agree, not ataulfo. Could be Alphonso, but those trees are known to not be productive in Florida unless you have an anomaly. It looks like it could be a fairchild mango to me. Maybe you could post a picture of the tree. Also, Squam256 would have a good idea of the variety.

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For best flavor in my opinion, wait until green area on mango turns yellow(most sweetness). You can also pick as soon as it "breaks color" or just begins to change from area of green to yellow. It will ripen correctly 100% of the time. Picking when full and green, you are taking a chance that it may not ripen normally.

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Peach cobbler, Cotton candy, Maha Chanok, and a Julie seedling in my yard. Ones I don't have: E4, Ceci Love, Phoenix, Guava, Kryptonite, Sunrise, Son pari, Coconut cream.

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Maybe not May 1 , but sometime in May: PPK, some FP, Some LZ, Some ST, few Carrie, few Venus, couple Haden, A tree I don't know variety of, some Maha, most of my Pickering, and a few Choc anon. The others will be June/July or later. Most of my trees have two crops from 2 different partial blooms.

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If you looked at all the pros and cons of each variety, I imagine Angie would come out on top.   Carrie might be sweeter and have a better flavor when picked and eaten at the PERFECT stage of ripeness, but Angie has an ideal texture which stays firm and therefore can be eaten at any stage of ripeness.  Much more practical and useful.  Alex is the pro so I wonder if he agrees.


I'm guessing you're glad you kept your Angie tree then. :)  You were thinking of getting rid of it for a while, correct?

Personally, I like Carrie at any stage ripeness. It's great when picked firm and ripened off the tree. Even if it turns yellow on the tree, the flavor is more intense and a lot sweeter. I've considered  another good name for it would be the "wedding cake mango" because it reminds me of very sweet wedding type cake when enjoying, especially on more ripe side. I guess our tastes are extremely variable ;D ;D ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Golden Nugget Mango at Lowes
« on: April 15, 2020, 11:26:33 AM »
It was a pretty Blah mango to me. I would not plant one even if I had an acre.

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Hey Edzone, Sweet tart is such a fantastic mango I would give it some time or at least leave a limb of it in case you get some cold weather one of these years. Very good producer when it flowers. Granted, I'm in central Brevard county, but my sweet tart gave about 60 delicious mangoes last year and looks like more than that this year if things work out (praying). 5 years in ground at about 15 feet tall. Sweet tart was the best mango I ate last year and looking very forward to more ;D. Maybe graft the Ceci love to the other branches if the taste is similar. Why would you graft M4 to it if you already have a tree?

E.

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I've had a few trees that did not want to grow. PPK x 2 trees, and 1 grafted sweet tart. No other ppk trees but I have other grafted sweet tarts that grow fine.

In your picture I see a few barren spots in the yard/field. In my yard I have moles and I suspect they formed cavities under some of my smaller trees stunting their growth. Just a guess for your tree also. You might want to try stomping down the dirt around the trunk just in case air pockets are drying the roots too much.
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I'll try anything to help it grow. I do see moles in my yard but I have several 
other mangos in the same proximity and they grow fine?
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As Cookie alluded to earlier, I bet your sweet tart is being influenced by the rootstock. I have an Edward mango tree that does the same thing. Been in ground for about 6 years, is only about 6 feet tall. I try to feed it and get it to grow but it refuses. Each year it tries to set a ton of mangoes and I end up with 10-15. I was about to get rid of it because I wanted a large tree in that spot, but then I thought "who else has a dwarf producing Edward mango tree?". If nothing else it's a good conversation piece. Every so often, there will be rootstock variance in the turpentine seedlings. Even Chris at Truly Tropical has a tiny Keitt that won't grow and produces a couple mangoes each year. They should be easy to move if you ever needed to... ;D 8) ;D

E.

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