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@albert84 @Oolie
Just so everyone knows: the correct name is "Honeyhart" (one word, no space between; and it is "hart" NOT "heart").  It's an unusual name with an unusual spelling for a special reason:

"The "Honeyheart" is actually HONEYHART, named by an old time member of the California Rare Fruit Growers. ORTON is another of his selections of cherimoya as his name was Orton Englehart. If you see ..."hart" in a fruit name it was selected by Orton Englehart, for example the Creamhart avocado. Google his name as he was a generous contributor to the CRFG (in the early days) and, in fact, invented the Rainbird sprinkler. His efforts deserve proper credit."

That comes from  .

I have a friend who has hundreds of tropical fruit plants growing in her orchard (including 5 or 6 different cherimoya trees).  She said Pierce is less productive than some of the others.  At cherimoya tastings, I thought Pierce and Orton were the best, but as you said, taste is subjective.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 23, 2021, 11:09:54 PM »
@spaugh, you said you were waiting for the oil to develop more in the Fujikawa.  What do you think now?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya skeletonizing bark disease
« on: July 08, 2021, 11:24:22 PM »
Thanks for your input, everyone!  I don't have a place in the ground for this plant.  I was using it to graft onto.  The idea was that for every graft on my main tree, I'd do one of the same on this little potted tree.  That way, if a graft on my main tree didn't work, I could take a graft from this little tree and try it again.  It'd keep me from having to get scions through the mail again.  That plan didn't really work out.  Too often I'd do a bad job on *both* trees!   :-[

I didn't have mulch up close to the bark, so crown rot doesn't seem right.  And the disease was spreading in patches that were totally separate from one another -- trunk and branches.  So I ended up tossing the plant.  No big loss; I'll start another seedling before long, and my in-ground tree isn't showing any signs of this disease. 

I think the group consensus is right: some kind of fungal attack that decimates the bark right down to the core.  If it happens again, I'll be forewarned and I'll treat for fungus right away.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya skeletonizing bark disease
« on: July 01, 2021, 10:25:24 PM »
Thanks, but there were no slime trails.  And it isn't rodents, or there'd be gnaw marks around the edges.  I even went out at night to see if I could catch anything skulking in the dark, but spotted no culprits.  Because there are no signs of the other two possibilities, I'm left with the probability that it's bacterial/viral/fungal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cherimoya skeletonizing bark disease
« on: July 01, 2021, 03:43:09 PM »
At first a hole developed in the fully lignified bark just above the soil line and I didn't think anything of it.  Maybe I had damaged it somehow?  Then I thought it might be a rodent, so I put some hardware cloth around it to protect it.  But the hole didn't have any gnaw marks on its edges.

Then yesterday I noticed areas of young, unlignified bark that look like they're being skeletonized by some creeping pathogen.

Anyone seen this before?  The leaves look healthy, and there are no oozing cankers.  I'm getting rid of the tree (easy, since it's in a pot), but I need to know about this in case it starts up on another tree.


Thank you moderators for doing this!  I'm relieved to not get any more warning messages from Firefox when I try to log in.

I used to have a Filipino neighbor who grew sweet potato to eat the leaves, but I think he had a particular variety he had selected for the purpose.  The vine and leaves were dark purple.  He mentioned once that just sticking a sweet potato from the store into the ground wasn't a good idea because of soil pathogens they might carry (he didn't tell me the specifics, and I wasn't interested enough at the time to ask for more information).  But it makes me wonder now if I could find what he grew at a Filipino grocery.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top ten tree mango list
« on: March 15, 2021, 02:19:38 PM »
Edgar is very precocious and productive and this will help limit the size of the tree. I actually had to let new higher scaffold branches grow after the fruit was gone since they were so weighted down with fruit last year they were bent downwards. I had to cut them off and let it regrow some more vertically oriented  branches.  Setting fruit on the new upper scaffolds now. Looks like it will be an easily managed tree.

@TonyinCC, how far off the ground are you talking about (both the first set of scaffolds and the second)?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrels
« on: March 12, 2021, 04:21:51 PM »

Your yard visitors sound friendlier than mine still. This guy threatened me today, Cockatoos also stripped citrus today and flying foxes were everywhere last night. I also have a problem with big pythons eating ducks and geese. Squirrels actually look cute.

Thanks for the reminder.  Not exactly what the Aussie tourism board would like to hear, but I'd rather have my little plot of earth here and deal with squirrels, possums, skunks and raccoons!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Water tote as a planter experience
« on: March 06, 2021, 04:41:10 PM »
Can one of you please post a picture or a link so I can see what you're talking about?  I just looked for "water tote" on Amazon and didn't come up with anything that looked like it could be used as a planter.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrels
« on: March 06, 2021, 04:33:26 PM »
@dwfl, I wonder if you taxidermy 100 or so squirrels and place them on top of your perimeter fence whether it'd confuse the hell out of them, terrify them, or just plain make too many obstacles for them to get past!

Many thanks!  Having SSL is good news, and I appreciate all the work you folks are putting in to enable us to just log in and enjoy the conversations!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rooting Persian Mulberry
« on: March 06, 2021, 04:16:39 PM »
Thank you, @achetadomestica!  That's exactly the kind of experience-based information I was looking for!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: grafting cherimoya tips
« on: March 05, 2021, 10:09:35 PM »
My cherimoya grafts have not been that successful.  I've figured out one thing I've done that has made them fail: the cambium and bark are a lot more tender than some of the other plants I've grafted.  Being accustomed to grafting hardwood scions, I've literally squeezed too hard on the tender cherimoya scion -- especially as I wrap it to keep it in place.  The resust has been grafts that don't take.  So I'd recommend just being aware of that IF you're used to grafting harder woods, (e.g., persimmon).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rooting Persian Mulberry
« on: March 05, 2021, 09:46:24 PM »
Anyone have experience rooting Persian Mulberry scions?  I got several and put them all in pots because the little Pakistan plant I was going to graft to doesn't have any truly good places to graft on to yet.

Using basically the same method you'd use for fig cuttings, what was your success rate?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrels
« on: March 05, 2021, 08:30:05 PM »
Well according to this link, "the Eastern fox squirrel was imported to Southern California in 1904 by veterans of the Civil War and Spanish American War".

It's a damn ugly problem, and I hate seeing lonely old people (no offense -- I'm old too) feed them.  They do an incredible amount of damage -- not only to our precious trees, but also eating through telephone cables, fiber optic lines, etc.

I am relatively new grafter with figs and have been using parafilm for grafting. It's been kind of a pain to tear off the desired size of parafilm tape that I might want to use. I could use scissors to cut each strip to length or just get perforated tape that has it already done.

No need for scissors.  Just lay both of your thumbs together on the tape where you want to "cut" it.  Make sure the tips of your thumbs are touching one another.  Then hold the tape tight and push your thumbs away from you as if you were snapping a twig.  The tape stretches a little bit, then snaps apart.

Also, you can stretch the tape not just lenghwise, but width-wise also (a little, not too much).  Comes in handy in odd places like at the end of the scion, when you want to "cap it off". 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tasting
« on: February 21, 2021, 04:48:32 PM »
I'd love to participate, but won't be doing any group activities until I've had both of my shots.


Me too.  Haven't been getting emails saying I have a PM waiting.  I'd guess it's been that way for a month now?

Many thanks for addressing this!  I really enjoy using the forum, and I'm learning a lot from it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Feast your eyes on a days' collection.
« on: February 13, 2021, 11:16:12 PM »
Thanks for sharing such good pictures of amazing, different looking fruit than I've ever seen!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plants that fruit at 1m tall or shorter
« on: February 05, 2021, 01:45:45 PM »
I haven't grown it myself yet, but a friend keeps it at 3 feet or so pretty easily: "Chilean guava" (Ugni molinae). 

They have pretty foliage, bell shaped flowers, and not only can you eat the berries, but I've read that some people use the leaves to make tea.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Birds
« on: February 03, 2021, 04:48:29 PM »
At least a Mockingbird will give you a sweet song for his meal. This jail bird has a sour sad song.
The bait robber has a vice for peanuts. I had to take a trip to Orlando so I turned this Yardbird loose on West Colonial Drive. I could not think of a more severe punishment :)

You realize, of course, that the bird probably flew back to your place (faster than you drove).   ;)

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: persimmon collectors?
« on: December 15, 2020, 05:39:48 PM »
Every single Hachiya that I've ever tasted I could almost not eat, they were too astringent. I've purchased Hachiya an endless number of times from different markets, each time hoping this time might different, but it never is.

Here's my experience with Hachiyas: They are inedible until they are so ripe they look translucent.  At that stage, the skin is paper thin and peels off by hand easily, leaving the gelatinous flesh behind.  In order for a Hachiya to ripen to that degree, I begin with fruit that have absolutely no damage to them (holes, bruises, etc).  I let them sit on the counter for however long it takes for them to turn translucent and the color to deepen to a very deep orange.  If a fruit is damaged, the damaged area will begin molding before the rest of the fruit ripens.

Eating a ripe Hachiya is kind of like eating jello; I can slurp it.  That texture puts some people off.  A matter of personal taste.  A truly ripe Hachiya is usually intensely sweet -- (also a matter of personal taste -- some would say it's too sweet).

There are also ways of forcing persimmons to ripen.  I'm aware of 4 different methods, and using these methods you might not end up with gelatinous fruit:
  • I've been told that you can store the fruit in a plastic bag full of CO2 for a day or so and that will ripen it.
  • Another method is exposure to ethanol (drinking alcohol).  You can put a couple of tablespoons of cheap vodka in a small dish within a plastic bag.  Place the fruit in the same bag (*not* in direct contact with the liquid), seal it up and let it sit.  I'm not sure how long that method takes; I tried it once, but didn't really like the results.  It was so long ago I can't remember what I didn't like about it.
  • Freezing.  Pop them in the freezer for a few days.  Freezing apparently breaks tannins down.
  • And then there's Hoshigaki (dried).  Search the Internet for "Hoshigaki" and you'll find instructions on how.  I've done this twice and liked the results after drying for about 2 weeks.  I didn't like them as much when they were fully dried (which happens at about 3 weeks).

I plan to try the CO2 method next year, when I can get some Hachiyas again.
Ha ha! @nexxogen and @Plantinyum were typing while I was.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Comparison of 3 top Pomegranate varieties
« on: December 11, 2020, 12:13:23 AM »
Speaking of animals, ...  This damage was done overnight.

Wow -- completely hollowed out!  I haven't seen that before.

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