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Thank you both for the reply! I already have a pineapple, I just have an anchor for trees. I have a truly tiny carvendish, and several citrus. I just don't like how pineapples fruit once and done. Is there any type of guava that tastes better than others that would do well? Also I haven't seen sugar apples before. I'll have to check it out thank you!

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Looking to expand my collection! I do not know of very many that work well in pots. I live in zone 5A so very cold winters. I have a rather tropical emulated setup. They must be able to withstand pots their entire life! I love fruit trees! Any info on any is appreciated!

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dwarf papaya pm if you want seeds
dwarf mango exists I grow many in containers, but it's complicated.

Already PM'd and talking about limes, so maybe we can work something out haha! For mangos, I am mostly having a hard time which rootstock to use that's dwarfing..

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Hello!

I am a northern container gardener. I live in zone 5A but have a suitable environment set up in my apartment. I have things from potted citrus to dwarf coffee. I am in search of other dwarf varieties that I can grow in containers up here. Let me know if anyone has anything! Prefer things that will eventually fruit given container conditions, or things I can use as a rootstock to graft and force fruit. I have several plants I can trade, or PayPal works great too.

Thank you!

Frank

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https://homeguides.sfgate.com/citrus-tree-leaves-poisonous-cats-88594.html

Yes this is what I remember reading, but I didnt know if poncirus contained the same compounds or not.

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Flying dragon is toxic to cats only if they get entangled in the plant.....I guess it would be "toxic" to humans too if they were snared in it. The only citrus that I have heard of that in the sense of "toxic" to cats is Calmondin.....have no proof but....rumor has it.....

Okay awesome! Thank you for the info. I heard that citrus wont kill a cat. But the leaves can cause them to seem sickly and puke.

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I have heard before that citrus leaves are in fact somewhat toxic to house pets, especially cats as they are curious and like to eat anything that brushes in the wind. Does this hold true for flying dragon or other trifoliate? I have friends that want some FD but I dont want to give it to them, being their cats like to chew on their houseplants occasionally, seeing that it makes it through the spikes lol.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Xie Shan budwood to trade or give
« on: October 31, 2019, 10:56:31 PM »
Pm'd. I have plants (other citrus and tropicals), seeds, etc I can trade but not scions if interested.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: ISO any types of budwood
« on: October 31, 2019, 10:33:48 AM »
I saw micrografting on youtube.  They were using rather newky sprouted seedlings as root stock.  You can sprout seeds any time.

Yes that is my goal! I have several small seedlings that around 2 months old that I would like to attempt.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: ISO any types of budwood
« on: October 31, 2019, 07:25:03 AM »
I am going to be making my first attempt at micro grafting. I have several FD, poncirus, and other random citrus saplings to practice on and all I need is some budwood to get going. Does anyone have any I could purchase? I am not sure if this is the right time of year to ask or not but worth a shot. In wisconsin so no worries on regulations. Thanks!

Micrografting is under a microscope, you can do you all year long because plants stay in a bioreactor.
But I guess because you don't even have budwood, you attempt to graft on small diameter rootstock, in that case you are late, PT entered dormancy.

Yes and I have active growing saplings right now in more of a greenhouse environment, so I believe I can do other grafts as well but i know typically micrografting is better for smaller younger seedlings.

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / ISO any types of budwood
« on: October 30, 2019, 04:49:27 PM »
I am going to be making my first attempt at micro grafting. I have several FD, poncirus, and other random citrus saplings to practice on and all I need is some budwood to get going. Does anyone have any I could purchase? I am not sure if this is the right time of year to ask or not but worth a shot. In wisconsin so no worries on regulations. Thanks!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Indoor citrus, Lighting length time and warmth ??
« on: October 30, 2019, 01:40:15 PM »
Is the "600W" light actually 600 Watts, or "600 watt equivalent" which is common with CFL and LEDs? 

I recently bought a "1200W equivalent" LED light fixture which the fine print says consumes ~200-250W power.  It was $90 on amazon.  Yours is likely similar if it is LED.  A true 600 watts-consumed LED fixture would likely cost $300+ and I've never actually seen one rated above 1500-watt-equivalent

I don't have any citrus under mine yet, only my wife's cooking herbs and a couple random seedlings I had extras of - lychee and ice cream bean.  They are growing well under the light, but it is too early for me to tell how they compare to the same seedlings in my greenhouse under only natural light.

I have my light running 16hrs a day on a timer, it is in my basement which is around 65F all year.  The light doesn't create enough heat to notice as it is in a wide open area.   200W 16hrs/day is under ten bucks a month in power cost

200Watts = 0.2 kilowatt-hours
power is ~10c kilowatt-hour
30 days a month, 16hrs a day
.200 * .10 * 30 * 16

$9.60

Oh yes, its claimed to be around 124w consumption, although comments have said it consumes more around the 200w at full blast. So far running it 12 hours at night I have seen substantial growth from my seedlings! I am happy with the light overall. But that's not bad in power price either, although I do have a fan going, 2 germination mats, and another LED for my seedlings. Either way, all work great!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: True hardiness of Flying Dragon
« on: October 30, 2019, 09:50:50 AM »
Alright awesome, I wont plant outside because it on average gets below -22F for a few days straight in January (-30C). I will stick to pots and let the trees molt and bring inside starting next year. Thank you everyone.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: True hardiness of Flying Dragon
« on: October 29, 2019, 10:36:40 PM »
Thank you guys for the responses! What zone is that considered with the elevation? I am considered 5A so I mean I could potentially try it, although with the past few years it has gotten down to -40F for a few days in a row. Usually never gets below -25F on regular winters. So would you recommend that I leave it outdoors till it sheds its leaves and then take it in? Considering I have everything else adequate (if you dont mind explaining what youd deem as adequate?) Or will keeping it evergreen not be a bad thing for the plant?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / True hardiness of Flying Dragon
« on: October 29, 2019, 09:02:22 PM »
I'm sprouting a ton of flying dragon and I would like to know the true hardiness of the tree itself? I have seen sites say that it is hardy even down to zone 4 of parts of Canada! I'm currently in zone 5A and would love to eventually plant one in the ground, or even just not worry and let it thrive in pots on the patio. Again I've been told different things by all over, some say zone 6 is the lowest, others say 5A, and a few found say 4B. Also, I haven't found an answer to this question either: being indoor in pots they dont actually molt their leaves.. will they still fruit or does flowering only precede a stage of leaf growth via spring?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Indoor citrus, Lighting length time and warmth ??
« on: October 27, 2019, 06:10:56 PM »
Here is my light, I am choosing to keep it on about 11 hours. From a cool test run today of 10 hours it made the temps around go from 67 to 80 within that time frame, also it was with all lights going, at full blast. It has the ability to switch on and off certain lighting (blue, red, IR) Again it will be enclosed in this closet the entire time with no natural light. I am also choosing to change the cycle of lighting while I sleep as the wife hates the closet illuminated so brightly by this new intensity haha. So it will be on from approx 8:00pm till 7:00 am. It is a very intense light and my plants seemed to like the distance. The mango leaf even grew 1 cm today alone! (I measured). I am wondering if you guys think I should put in a small fan to create better air circulation? I did not use the fan in the background at all, it is a little too powerful for the small closet. I dont want the heat to become hazardous. Also would I be able to get away with just running blue to keep the power consumption as well as heat down? All I have are saplings and small trees! Thank you guys for the help and tips!






Plants use verry little blue .Use red or the pink one and not blue at all.The pink light you call IR is actually a UV wannabee( UVA) and that has both blue and red in it.
LEDS cant output real UV like UVC  and UVB because these lights are the ones that cause sunburn and would destroy the plastic LEDs in just a few hours.

Okay thanks! I thought blue was for vegetative growth and red was for blooming or something on the line of that? But okay, makes sense. So if I were not to want to run all the LEDs at once (purple), to pick one over the other I should run red over blue? My only concern with running purple is that it creates a much higher heat output than if I were to use one or the other.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Indoor citrus, Lighting length time and warmth ??
« on: October 27, 2019, 05:44:09 PM »
Here is my light, I am choosing to keep it on about 11 hours. From a cool test run today of 10 hours it made the temps around go from 67 to 80 within that time frame, also it was with all lights going, at full blast. It has the ability to switch on and off certain lighting (blue, red, IR) Again it will be enclosed in this closet the entire time with no natural light. I am also choosing to change the cycle of lighting while I sleep as the wife hates the closet illuminated so brightly by this new intensity haha. So it will be on from approx 8:00pm till 7:00 am. It is a very intense light and my plants seemed to like the distance. The mango leaf even grew 1 cm today alone! (I measured). I am wondering if you guys think I should put in a small fan to create better air circulation? I did not use the fan in the background at all, it is a little too powerful for the small closet. I dont want the heat to become hazardous. Also would I be able to get away with just running blue to keep the power consumption as well as heat down? All I have are saplings and small trees! Thank you guys for the help and tips!







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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Indoor citrus, Lighting length time and warmth ??
« on: October 26, 2019, 10:08:08 PM »
Hello franlazar26, 600 watts for which area to shine? And do you also know the lumen number? I would hang the lamp at least 1-2 meters above the plants to avoid burns. If you cultivate the plants outdoors in summer, you can now go back with the light ON time (day length) even in artificial light. But you can leave 1 hour longer in the morning and 1 hour longer in the evening, so that you have in any case more madness as with a low-light wintering. Of course, if you still have coffee with you...then 11-12 hours of day length (light on time) would not be bad.
The pack I have says 8268.6lm. Around 1200 PAR from 18" in height (right around .5m I believe). Note I forgot to say, they do not receive any natural sunlight! They're kept in a closet currently so the light is all the light they will have. I am going to start it at 12 hours a day and go from there though I think!

Thanks!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Indoor citrus, Lighting length time and warmth ??
« on: October 26, 2019, 10:56:19 AM »
Hello!

I just finally went big rather than going cheapo and purchasing 5$ grow lights at the hardware store. I purchased a WHOSLED 600W that puts out around 1200 umol/s/m2, and a smaller 2FT T5 bulb set for my seedlings.. How long should I run these lights for the maximum yield of growth while still not racking up a huge energy bill? Looking for opinions! I also have a germination mat underneath both keeping the roots at a good 78-83 degrees F. The surrounding temps go anywhere from 68-76F throughout the day into the night (may get a little warmer with the more powerful lights I'm putting in). What are your guys' opinions? I currently have over 50 citrus seedlings coming consisting of trifoliate, FD, and swindle, along with some misc dwarf poms and coffee.

Thanks for any input!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Arabica Dwarf Coffee
« on: October 21, 2019, 09:48:17 AM »
I have some seedlings coming up, they're arabica dwarf coffee plants. I know nothing about these and would like to learn a little! What is their general care? What soils and temps do they like? How long before they reproduce from seeds??

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh star fruit seeds
« on: October 20, 2019, 09:03:07 AM »
Pm'd hopefully I'm not too late!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Flying Dragon from Seeds
« on: October 19, 2019, 05:42:03 PM »
Well thank you for the information! Your knowledge is very much appreciated on all my questions Bomand! I am looking forward to the years of creating a bonsai!

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Flying Dragon from Seeds
« on: October 19, 2019, 03:45:13 PM »
Wow that's awesome! I'll have to see all that grow and select the most contorted for a bonsai. Do they eventually fruit as a regular FD would?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Flying Dragon from Seeds
« on: October 19, 2019, 01:49:24 PM »
I have found some from time to time. I plant about 300 FD seed each year. Of those germinations I usually pick about 50 of the healthy true FD to use. I find that the very rare rosette types appear to be mal formed. Slow to grow and poor specimens. They might make a good bonsai but since I have not an interest in bonsai, I put them in the discard pile.

Well, let me know if you happen to ever get another! I'd be interested in purchasing it from you! So getting one is mostly from luck then, just the odds of planting?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Flying Dragon from Seeds
« on: October 19, 2019, 10:01:01 AM »
The >> 'Tiny Dragon' Dwarf Contorted Hardy Orange << in the link you mentioned is a dwarf variety of the "common" FD.

By the way, the botanical name of a 'common' FD is very seldom noted...botanically it is called Poncirus trifoliata var. monstrosa.

Question: Does anybody here in the forum has the dwarf variety 'Tiny Dragon' in his collection?

Oh wow, they look very contorted! I thought that FD were already a naturally dwarf species? So the tiny dragon is just another species of FD? Also, how are these propagated? They seem to be rather rare and only a few sellers have them online. Not a whole lot of info anywhere I look for them.

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