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Wow Harley, what great-looking seedlings those Quararibea cordata pics you posted show; it's good to see such healthy seedlings of this species! 

But I'm also with 'hammer', though because I had problems growing this species out-of-doors once the weather turned cooler here in Florida zone 9b.  They proved to be cold intolerant for me.

I don't know if this species maybe ranges into any higher elevations in Colombia than Cali, or whether it is strictly a lowland, warmth-loving species.  It might be nice to try this species again if there were some that were sourced from a higher elevation in its habitat, should such an option exist.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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I am curious too.  My Geffner has its first significant crop.  Last year it made two tiny fruits that fell off early so I don't really count that. 

Mine did pretty much the same last year, Brian.

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Not sure when to pick them, they don't have far to fall so waiting until they drop is a possibility.  Not sure what typical fruit size is for these, I assumed the current ones I have are still undersized

The one surviving fruit on my 'Gefner' looks to be about the same size as yours in the photo that you posted above, and appears about as spiky, too.

Don't know if mine will get any/much larger before it ripens –if it ripens at all. Some of my tree's leaves are beginnng to yellow and some have dropped but the fruit still looks okay.  I'm guessing the leaf-fall is due to the week of cool overnight temps that we had here in west central Florida about ten days ago.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.
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As I recall our Gefner blooms mostly in March/April and most of the fruit comes ripe in September/October.

Thanks, Galatians.  I guess that I'd better start keeping an closer eye on it.

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pruning/tipping Canistel
« on: October 28, 2022, 01:36:16 AM »
One that I potted two years ago (a 'Trompo') grew slightly taller than yours you described and then branched of its own accord.  It's in a 7 gallon pot and about 6-ft tall and well branched.  It has a nice, balanced shape to it and probably will go into the ground next season.

A second one that I potted into a 3 gallon pot last year is about a meter tall and hasn't branched yet.  But I'm going to leave it alone and expect that it will branch of it own accord like the older one very soon.  This second canistel is an unnamed seedling.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
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The fruit will lighten up and you will see yellow between the sections

Okay, good...Thanks for the reply  That's like what my sugar apple does when it's fruit is about ready to pick.

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The fruit also softens up but it can seem rock hard in the morning and
be soft the same night

Interesting.  Sounds like it is important to watch for the yellowing between the fruit sections (carpels).

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Most of my annona tree's early fruit don't size up and are not the best tasting.
The second year the fruit should improve.

Form what you say here, this early fruit on my 'Gefner' will stay somewhat small and retain a spiky exterior.

And I guess I should have asked originally what sort of schedule 'Gefner' has for blooming, setting fruit, and ripening (in what month, usually)?

Again TIA,

Paul M.
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Gentle TFF Members,

I have one fruit hanging on my 'Gefner' right now in late October.  It had two fruits eariler this season but, sadly, my neighbor broke one off while asking me about it.

The remaining one is approximately 3-inches+ in diameter and I am wondering when it should be ripe.

What is the best way to tell?  I'm unsure what to look for to be able to know since this is the first time this tree has set any fruit.  It's in a 5-gallon pot; does that make any difference?

Any/all suggestions would be appreciated.

TIA

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hilo Farmer's Market shopping trip
« on: October 21, 2022, 11:07:16 AM »
...for some reason the picture is being cropped weird for me as well but I can see a corner of the rollinia,

FYI, there's a gray slide bar below the photo & bottom message which you can drag to view the right hand side of the photo.

And yes, that is indeed a nice haul.  I'm still hoping to get to try some biribá (Rollinia) here in Florida before too long.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing passion fruit up a tree
« on: October 21, 2022, 01:32:11 AM »
I had a P. edulis v. flavicarpa in a five gallon bail bucket which was placed under a grapefruit tree.  That vine soon managed to latch onto the lower branches of the grapefruit and climb up through the tree's canopy and eventually spread over the whole crown of the grapefruit tree.

I didn't get much fruit off that passion vine since there was only the single vine and P. edulis v. flavicarpa needs a second passion vine nearby to set fruit.

But the main problem was that the vine nearly killed the grapefruit tree by heavily shading the whole top of the tree.  After a year I cut the vine off near the bottom (the stem two feet above the ground was by then very woody and about 1-1/2 inches in diameter) to let the top of the vine die.  It still took the rest of the season for the dead leaves of the vine to fall away.  And it took the grapefruit tree two years before it recovered from having been deprived of sunlight by the passion vine.

So if you are contemplating growing a Passiflora up a tree please choose carefully because the tree many not survive the shading that the vine creates.

Just FWIW . . .

Paul M.
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Looks like the haabitat of Sapranthus campechianus is the drier, low elevation area of Quintana Roo. 

If Sapranthus campechianus will even hybridize with Asimina triloba, is questionable in my mind, but if it will it would likely make for an interesting cross.

I cannot find what this newly collected species' fruit tastes like.  Does Raul know?

Cheers!

Paul M.
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I would call the company and ask to get an answer that wont puzzle you .The research i did showed these wernt legal in english countries until they re-wrote the trapping laws. Being an avid hunter/trapper what i was reading made sense and sounded like thats more than likely the reason we cant get them. Truly puzzling is the ignorance of your response.

Good suggestion to call the business.

Don't understand though your remark about my 'ignorant response.'  I just don't consider squirrels as food for me, especially the ones found in dense urban areas where they are surely exposed to god-knows-what in the city's environment.  Makes squirrels seem pretty unapetizing to me.

But the squirrels clearly have been devastating my fruit crops, so I'd just as well prefer to be shed of them.  And before there are any moans about it it's not as if I were intending to destroy the entire species; just those in my immediate area.

Paul M.
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I would guess since its marketed for squirrels and a kill trap it will be hard to get in the usa possibly some laws broken? Squirrels are game animals in the usa so in every state you would need a license to harvest game. Now that its targeting game this would be sold to trappers in the usa and that doesnt look like it would pass the dec's eye lol just another thing against it . If it were marketed for rats i bet you could prime that thing and have it in 2days!

Frankly I don't conceive of squirrels as game –at least not in Florida and surely not in the middle of a large urban city Llike Tampa.

And as far as I'm concerned squirrels are little more than fluffy rats, anyway.  So since they are essentially vermin, I still don't get why these humane but effctive kill traps for squirrels are not available in the US.

Truly puzzling . . .

Paul M.
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I'm having a serious problem with squirrels, and likely rats too, with them ravaging my avocados, mangoes, and other fruit even before they ripen, such that I have not gotten any of my crop for myself these last two seasons.

I have seen how effective the Goodnature A18 squirrel destroyer is, but only their model A24 (mouse & rat traps) are available in the US.  (I know this because I've checked online everywhere I can think of without success.)

Can any of our TFF members explain why this A18 squirrel destroyer is not allowed into the US. It seems like an effective, humane control for these ravaging rodents.

Or maybe someone has found a way of getting the A18 into the US –short of traveling to the UK or Australia and bringing one back in their personal luggage.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.
Tampa – Zone 9b
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[snip] the squirrels really did a number on my labels in 2021

Just a side note, directpeat...

If you are growing out-of-doors (as most of us are) try using yellow vinyl labels.

The birds and squirrels tend to leave them alone thinking that a yellow label is a
dying leaf –and who wants to put a dying leaf that is likely to mold into your nest.

Using yellow labels on my orchid and fern collection which I grow outside in my
yard has worked well for me for many years, now.  I lose next to no labels.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
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I’ve seen Pete Kanaris recommend growing them in Florida so I assume they can grow there.  Are you having challenges actually getting the plant to grow or getting them to flower and set fruit?  They grow easily in containers if you are having challenges with soil conditions.

The ones I tried, all unnamed varities, just sat there and never grew much or bloomed, finally up and died.  Yet guavas, citrus, and an avocado, all in the ground, all grow well for me.  So it may just have been the individual feijoas that I got that weren't happy here for whatever reason.

Good to know that there are some NZ cultivars available.  I'll check.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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I so far have not had any luck growing feijoa in Florida 9b and cannot figure out why.

Would like to try a cultivar like 'Mammoth' or 'Triumph' mentioned elsewhere in this thread but all I could ever find that was available around here were unnamed seedlings (or clones of same) and they did poorly for me.

Don't know if it's the Florida climate, our sandy soil or what . . .

Thoughts...  Suggestions...  All welcomed.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse vanilla growing
« on: October 08, 2022, 12:51:38 PM »
Since vanilla is very tropical, loving heat and humidity to succeed, then growing it in your zone it will require, as your topic suggests, a greenhouse.

The flowers, each of which lasts only one day need to be hand pollinated and there is a trick to that.

The vines won't flower though until they reach the top of what they are climbing on, can climb no higher, and the vine ends 'fall over'.  That triggers flowering if all other conditions are right.

Once the flowers have been pollinated (a daily ritual while the vine is in bloom) it takes a while for the vanilla 'beans' (seed pods) to mature and then they must be carefully processed and allowed fo slowly ferment.  There is information about that whole fermentation process online.

Good luck!

Paul M.
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 What better selections are you having success with in FL? I am looking for a variety
that my parents can grow in Wellington.

I am presuming that is Wellington, Florida (and not New Zealand).

Well, maybe how about Parfianka?  It is reported to be good in zones 6 thru 10 and has first quality fruit.

HTH

Paul M.
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Tried Ugni twice: Once from a popular Calif. nursery and the second time from a nursery in N. Carolina.

Out of 5 plants I got from Cal. and the 3 from N. Carolina none of them survived very long here in Tampa.

So now I am wondering whether there are any cultivars of Ugni molinæ that exhibit any warmth tolerance.  Or if we could get this species to survive here in our hot and wet Florida summers by providing it with shade or maybe by modifying the pH of the soil it likes to grow in, or perhaps it's the type of soil it likes to grow in that's the trick to making it happy.

Any suggestions welcomed!

Paul M.
Tampa — Zone 9b
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« on: September 28, 2022, 05:01:48 PM »
I see the eyewall now maybe touching Sanibel to Captiva strip of island....

Pine Island look to be next a few minutes away...

Keep your thoughts/prayers out for them today... & of course all others...

One of many tv radar sites:
https://www.wptv.com/live#vidJump

It's 4:45pm WED at this writing.  Here in Tampa we're currently getting lots of rain & gusting winds up to maybe 35 mph.  IAN made landfall just north of Fort Myers about an hour ago and that area is presently feeling the worst of the storm right now.

Just checked outside here at my house in Tampa and there's a lot of wind blowing from the northeast.  But so far my tropical saplings in pots are all still upright except for one that has blown over but I am not having any flooding in my yard.

We're being told on TV right now that the winds by this evening here in Tampa may gust to 80mph with occasional squalls.  We may lose power and up 'til now we have only had short power outages lasting less than a minute where I am.  The Tampa Bay area will continue to feel the storm's effects 'til Thurdsay afternoon or evening.

IAN is supposted to head slowly (±9mph) NE passing through Lakeland/winter Haven, then Orlando by about 8pm this evening degrading to a Tropical Storm, and continuing NE on to somewhere near Daytona Beach and then out into the Atlantic.  [< Updated at 1:20am Thurs]

Hoping that everyone is hunkered down somewhere that's a safe place and that all your tropical fruit trees make it through with mnimal or no damage.

Hope this post makes it through because during the time I've been writing this there have been three short power outages that interrupted my wifi service.  Waiting now to get connected again.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.
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If it helps any, there are at least 2 Ilamas in Sebring. They would have gone through 28 at a minimum this last winter (one is bearing fruit this year). I would say they are approximately equal in hardiness to mango and maybe slightly harder. They appear to be more resilient/long lived than sugarapple.

Thanks for the encouraging reply, Galatians. I'm glad to hear this; it offers me some hope.  Though further south than Tampa, Sebring is inland and Tampa is on the coast so I'm guessing that Tampa is a few degrees warmer than inland Sebring is.

Guess I'll hafta bite the bullet and plant my larger ilama in the ground next season.

Fingers X-ed!

Paul M.
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I live in Miami so, I haven't had to deal with frost or freezes yet.  Ilama growers in Central Florida and California should have more insight on cold tolerance.

In fact, I was actually hoping that some TFF members from central Florida would chime in about their experiences with their ilama's cold tolerance, but maybe there aren't very many TFF members growing this in central Florida.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Ilamas are surprisingly cold tolerant.  The main issue for ilamas in Florida is excessive rain during certain months

Thanks for the reply Mark.

So, do ilamas require a long dry-off period during their annual cycle?  How long and when, please?

And Mark, how cold have your ilamas survved down to, and how old were they at that time?

Regards

Paul M.
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Got to wondering whether selecting material (seeds or plants) of Annona macroprophyllata from the upper elevations of its natural habitat range would provide material which would be better suited to tolerating our cool winter temperatures here in Florida (9b).

Are there any TFF members growing such 'upper elevation' ilamas in central Florida who may have noticed better cold tolerance of theirs?

Or maybe member Raul in México will chime in here with some info since he collects seeds of this species in the wild.

¡Pura Tertulia!

Paul M.
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You will need a chemical product (bait) that decimates the fungus that the ants are growing from all those cut leaves that they carry back to the nest which they use to farm more fungus with. 

That farmed fungus is the colony's main food source and once their food source is destroyed then the colony will either die or relocate.

There are several of these sorts of bait product on the market to control leaf-cutters' fungal food.  You will need to ask around to see what is available where you are.  Check with your local agricultural offices or with plant nurseries in that area.

OK — HTH

Regards,

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Squirrel battle
« on: September 17, 2022, 04:43:06 AM »
A18 trap it is sold in the US.

Ebay has them for sale $90.

Alas, nope.  Ebay only has the Good Nature A24 mouse and rat destroyer,
I cannot find their model A18 for squirrels listed anywhere for sale on eBay. 

Do you maybe have a link to  share that shows the Good Nature A18 for sale
on eBay, porfa Juliano?

TIA

Paul M.
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