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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: precocious pitangatuba
« on: June 26, 2020, 05:31:27 PM »
Thanx Kevin.

I'll try your suggestion of weaning them from the shade.

Do you feed yours.  What's do they seem to like?  Time release, water soluble, or what?  How frequently?

And it may be time to bump some of my 5-inchers up to gallon pots . . .

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Fruit Literature?
« on: June 26, 2020, 03:40:03 PM »
I haven’t had a chance to read it yet myself but try looking for bill Whitman’s book. I think it is called five decades with fruit or something along those lines. Guy was a pioneer

Hi again JBJ,

Mike's suggestion for the Whitman book is a good one.  I recently got a copy and have only skimmed thru it but it is crammed with interesting fruit history.

It is now quite pricey since it is OOP but be patient because every so often a less inexpenvive copy will show up and that's the time to nab one.  It's a big, heavy book.  The complete title is:

"Five Decades With Tropical Fruit, A Personal Journey" by William F. Whitman; pub. Coral Gables, FL, 2001.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: precocious pitangatuba
« on: June 26, 2020, 03:20:42 PM »
I'm wondering, how big/old/tall you guys allowed your pitangatubas get before exposing them to brighter sun? 

Did brighter light/sun make any noticeable difference in their growth rate?

Just curious as I have about a dozen pitangatubas that I got when very small.  Some were in two-inch pots and some were just getting established in 5-inch pots when I got them.  And some of the ones in two-inch pots have now been moved up into 5-inch pots.  The largeer ones are now about 8-inches tall and have started to branch.

I've been keeping all of them in partial shade, i.e., full sun 'til about 10- or 11am and then very shady for most of the rest of the day.  They are growing well but maybe would benefit from being given more light for more hours of the day sometime soon.

Comments? Suggestions?

TIA

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions on surinam cherry
« on: June 26, 2020, 03:01:21 PM »
What ever it turns out to be it looks like it will make plenty of berries all at once and they surely could be turned into jam or jelly, maybe with a jot of lemon or lime juice added for contrast.

Just a thought.

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cinnamomum zeylanicum –when to pug?
« on: June 26, 2020, 02:57:35 PM »
Yeah, they do push up adventitious growth sometimes. If you want them, leave them in and you can harvest them. [sinp]
I don't encourage it because I don't want the pot getting crazy crowded.

Carolyn, Thanx for this further explanation.  It will prolly prove useful info for other cinnamon-grower novices to be aware of.

Anyway, it did seem to me that if the plant were offering up a little root sucker that eventually it could be removed and potted up separately and used for a trade, etc.

Actually when it first made a sprout that I thought that it was a weed and tried to pull it out but only succeeded in pulling the leaves off, but the half-inch long little stem wouldn't pull out.  That stem quickly turned black and died.  But I smelled the leaves that I had pulled off and found that it had a cinnamon odor.  Still, at that time I wasn't certain whether it was a late germinating seed or was coming from the roots.

But then a few weeks later another sprout appeared and this second one I have left be so it is slowly growing and now has about six leaves.  I have not decided whether to allow it to stay or eventually divide and pot it up separately.

Again thanx for all the helpful information.  It will surely help me succeed with this tree.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cinnamomum zeylanicum –when to pug?
« on: June 26, 2020, 12:39:51 PM »
To get the sprouts you talk of, you need to coppice the tree, but I think it may need to be a more mature tree, and not just a seedling.

Carolyn,

Guess I was not entirely clear on the adventitious growth question . . . .

I moved this seedling tree up from a 2-inch pot to a 6-inch pot and it began to grow a bit faster, but . . .

It also of its own accord sent up a little growth nearby.  I did not top the treel

That is the basis for my earlier question.

Paul M.
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Here in the USA both in Indiana and in Florida we always called that kind of wire 'chicken wire' and that's ever since I was a little kid when we lived on my grandfather's farm.

There might be other names for it but that's my initial reaction upon seeing your photo.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cinnamomum zeylanicum –when to pug?
« on: June 25, 2020, 07:12:19 PM »
Thanx Carolyn.

That is good advice on several counts. 

I'll prolly wind up mostly using the leaves to cook with or make tea.

It's likely close to time to move the plant up again into a larger pot.  I'll try a gallon this time.

Any coomment about whether this species throws up adventitious growths from the roots?  If so it seems like that would be a good way to propogate this plant.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Fruit Literature?
« on: June 25, 2020, 07:03:35 PM »
Hi JBJ and welcome to TFF!

I recently read and enjoyed "The Fruit Hunters" so if you liked that you prolly would also enjoy:

"Fruits of Eden: David Fairchild and America's Plant Hunters" by Amanda Harris; pub. 2015.

I've seen copies both on Amazon and on ABE Books.  It's probably on eBay from time to time, too.  Best to shop around for the best price.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for finger limes in US
« on: June 25, 2020, 02:58:04 PM »
Just Fruits & Exotics in Crawfordville, FL (just outside Tallahassee) has green fingerlimes periodically available on their website.  Have a look.

OK — HTH

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cinnamomum zeylanicum –when to pug?
« on: June 25, 2020, 02:38:32 PM »
Hello All,

My Cinnamomum zeylanicum was recently moved up from a 2-1/2-inch pot into a 4-inch pot and is now about 10-inches tall and seems to like being in the larger pot.  It has been growing more rapidly now plus a small growth has emerged from the potting soil next to it about two inches away.

So, is this species known to send up adventitious growths from its roots?  What's coming up is only about 3-inches tall right now but has the same veination on its leaves as the taller plant.

Also, does this species benefit from removing the apical tip to encourage branching?  If so how tall should it be allowed to get first?  It will be a potted specimen since zone 9b might prove too cold for it from time to time.

So far I havent been able to locate much of anything pro or con about pugging this species.  Any helpful references in print out there about this species?

Comments?  Suggestions?

TIA

Paul M.
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Isn't the fruit of P. ligularis green when developing but then ripens to golden yellow or a golden orange?  And sometimes has a rosy blush on one cheek?

That's what I remember from when I ate them in Costa Rica and Guatemala.

Paul M.
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[snip]
The Che tree I got came from a Kentucky nursery another temperate zone.
(snip)

Likewise with the several U. molinae I got, Achetadomestica!  Found them offered at a NC nursery and ordered several.  They were sent bareroot and were potted up immediately upon receipt.  They were 14- to 16-inches tall and did not seem to mind having been shipped barerooted.

(BTW, I had earlier gotten some smaller ones in 4-inch pots from a Cal. nursery but those reacted badly to Florida's heat and just sat there and dried up and died within two weeks of having arrrived here.)

Paul M.
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Thank you for this extra info, Palingkecil.  Much appreciated.

I'll try the fish emulsion.  I have a blottle of it around here somewhere.

Your experience with them shows that they ought to be okay with more sun as long as they don't dry out.

Paul M.
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Thanks for the advice, SeaW. 

Temps sound okay. 

And we've got acid soild where I am, but I'm thinking that maybe they will prefer a bit more sunlight.

So now it sould like they will want more fertilizer.

Paul M.
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Thanx Richard!  Seeds postmarked June 11th in France arrived today, June 22 in Tampa, FL in good condition.

I'm impressed with the packaging which was thin, sturdy, and protected the seeds.

Now my questions is: Should these seeds (Annona paludosa) be soaked before planting and if so for how long?  They are quite tiny.  How long 'til they would be expected to germinate, please?

Regards,

Paul M.
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They like acid soil and rain water.
Heavy feed them and they grow verry fast.

Thanks for the suggestion to feed them.  I have fed them but so far only lightly once or twice while they have been getting established in their pots.

So....  How about while they are in pots....  Do they seem to need a lot of room for their roots?  Or do they like to be pot-bound?

I'm still unsure how well they will tolerate our central Florida 90ºF.-plus heat in the summertime which is why I've kept them shaded while they establish.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to get rid of birds?
« on: June 22, 2020, 10:40:03 AM »
Decorate your tree with tinsel. Birds won’t go near it.

I have had success by making a mobile using blank CDs and putting that in my garden amongst my fruit trees. It has worked very well so far, which is gong on two years now.

I drove a 1/2-inch metal conduit into the soil about two feet with the top end sitting about six feet above the ground.  Then I used #10-gauge galvanized wire to make a support arm that mounted/slid down into the top of the conduit.  The support arm was then bent horizontally away from the conduit with the end of it about 18-inches from the conduit.  I bent a small hook into the end of the support arm.

Then used another piece of #10-gauge wire about 14-inches long and hung CDs from each end (2 each, back-to-back) of the cross wire with their reflective sides facing out.  To hang the CDs from I bent a small hook at each end of the cross-arm.

The CDs were hung from the cross-wire and the cross wire was hung from the support arm.  All were hung using  a suitable length of monofilament fishing line so everything would rotate and spin in the lightest breeze, casting moving reflections on the ground all around the garden area anytime the sun is out.

With the CDs being reflective on both sides there are as many as four spots of light gliding across the ground at the same time.  Those gliding spots seem to keep both the birds and the squirrels away from my fruit trees.  I am guessing that they think its some hawk gliding around reconnoitering for a meal and so keep clear of my plants.

And so far the birds don't seem to have become used to all the reflective spots gliding around.  Keeping my fingers X-ed that they continue to be leery of those reflections.

The only maintainence on my garden mobile has been to replace any of the CDs if they have started showing any water damage from the summer rainstorms. The CDs generally have lasted these two years now before one or two of them started to lose reflectivity from water seeping in between the plastic layers.  But it's cheap, quick, and easy to replace them when that happens.

OK – Hope that this will be useful for helping to keep squirrels and birds away from y'all's fruit trees.  (Hey – I live in the South, y'all, okay?)

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help to identify bananas
« on: June 22, 2020, 03:41:39 AM »
I’d love to steal a pup from her, oddly it isn’t giving many off, despite being in the ground for about 5 years.

Hi Canesgirl,

If your neighbor lady doesn't care about growing this banana and it's not producing pups, maybe you could convince her to allow you to dump some fertilizer on it every so often.  Bananas are really heavy feeders, we know, but that extra food dumped around the plant ought to encourage some extra new suckers to poke up out of the ground at which point she might let you harvest one for yourself.

¡Solamente mis dos granitos de arena!

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Hi All,

I was recently able to get several plants of Ugni molinae (Chilean Guava) from a nursery in NC.  Plants arrived in good condition, about 14- to 16-inches tall and are still healthy-lookng but seem to be quite slow growing.

I have them in about 60% shade under a pergola that's covered over with Petrea volubilis (Queen's Wreath) in 1 gal pots and they are growing but rather slowly.  Maybe that is too much shade but not sure how much of our strong summer sunshine they wlll tolerate here in Florida.

Not sure if they tolerate wet feet, either, but also I have a number of tropicals (ferns & orchids) under the pergola and those get misted frequently and watered some about every other day –or sometimes daily when it's hot and no rain is forecast.

Does the above sound like a suitable situation for these U. molinae?  I know they grow in a temperate to coolish situation in S. America where it can often be damp.

Hoping that someone else here in FL/9b might be succeeding with this species and can remark on their own experiences growing them.

TIA

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pruning Guavas
« on: June 12, 2020, 03:02:08 AM »
When should I prune my 'Barbie Pink' guava.  It was put in ground about 12 months ago out of a 3 gal pot.

It has grown to about six feet tall with one dominant growth and three or four shorter side growths about 3 to 4 ft tall.

I've been fertilizing it about once a month right now using 10-10-10 granular since it warmed up.  It gets full sun starting around 10 am until 5 or 6 pm.

I'm hoping that a bit of pruning may get it to branch and maybe encourage it to bloom.

TIA

Paul M.
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I have never seen Sugar-Apple new growth with any color other than green.

Thanx Har for this information.  I thought as much but wasn't sure.

Muy Amable!

Paul M.
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Hello All,

Just got cruious to know whether pink skinned sugar apples flush reddish leaves in similar fashion to what pink- or red-fruited Ilamas do?

I have a young seedling A. squamosa with eight pairs of leaves so far in a 1 gal pot.  I believe it was from seed of the 'Kampong Mauve' cultivar but its new leaves are emerging green. Of couse it's in shade for about half the day right now, but that could maybe change when it's large enough to be put out in full sun.

All that said I do understand that this is from seed so this could lessen chances that it produce pink fruit.  –Or colored new leaves.

I was just wondering if there are any visible signals to distinguish a pink-skinned sugar apple tree from the typical green fruited ones.

Cheers!

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona Pollinating Question
« on: June 10, 2020, 01:31:00 AM »
Please describe these beetles so I can be on the look-out for them.

Kevin,

They're prolly about 1/16th to 3/32nds of an inch long, a sort of pale chestnut brown color, and crawl or fly.  Don't know the Latin name for them but maybe someone else on these Forums will know.

Anyway if you or a neighbor has a citrus tree and it has any fallen fruit under it which is starting to spoil, then go have a look at that fruit.  I'll bet you a dollar to donuts that there'll be some of those little beetles working the spoiling fruit.

Hey, so if there's not any spoiling fruit around, put a piece of citrus fruit from the grocery store ouside under your, say, azalea hedge and wait a couple three days.  As soon at that piece of fruit starts going bad the beetles will come and you can see what the look like!

OK – Hope this helps . . .

Paul M.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona Pollinating Question
« on: June 10, 2020, 01:02:12 AM »
Please describe these beetles so I can be on the look-out for them.

Hi Kevin,

Let me chime in here . . . .    A couple years back I noticed that a piece of spoiling citrus (doesn't matter what kind) fruit that I a few days earlier had tossed into the back yard had landed in my sugar apple's pot. By then it had a small patch of mold on the skin and a hole with tiny brown beetles entering and exiting the hole.  They were also visiting the flowers on my sugar apple.

These are the same brown beetles that one usually can see attacking fallen/spoiling citrus fruit here in Florida.

But that season I had more sugar apples set on my tree than ever before.  So now I always put a citrus rind in my sugar apple's pot while it's blooming.  I figured, well, why not? Why not let those beetles work my sugar apple's flowers.  I often have limes that I have cut in half and juiced. I place the rinds curved skin side up on the soil in the pot so it won't dry out too fast and so will remain attractive to the little beetles.

This year with a recently acquired Atemoya 'Gefner' that's just now started making (and dropping) flowers I'm going to put a citrus rind in its pot to see how that affects the fruit set on the 'Gefner'.

And just FWIW, it seems that any spoiling citrus fruit or citrus rind tends to attract those same little beetles.  So why not use them as pollinators?  In bags of Clementines from the grocery store there's sometimes one that's turning soft.  Those work great in the Annona pots to attract those beetles to the flowers, just for the record.

Hope this helps . . .

¡Pura Vida!

Paul M.
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