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One more week until this event which is next weekend. Wanted to clarify since a few people have been asking me if it’s this week.

If you’re in the Miami area or can make it, please come down for some interesting research.
JULY 31, 2021 -

I am happy to share with forum members an opportunity to visit Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden at the very end of the "toned" down mango celebrations, usual this time of the year.
The traditional mango festival seems to be on a hiatus, and its replacement "Mango Days of Summer" is the solution FTBG came up with during covid in 2020.

With that said and without taking focus away from the subject at hand, I will be sharing some research I have been working on July 31st, Saturday in the Miami / Coral Gables, Florida area.  8) I look forward to seeing some of you there.


Event Link:

SATURDAY, JULY 31, 2021 | 2:30 P.M. – 4:30 P.M.

"Join Jorge J. Zaldivar, local historian, and President of the South Florida Palm Society, as he discusses the stories and people behind some of Miami’s vintage mangos. Attendees will be navigated through the instructor’s personal research, including material from Dr. David Fairchild’s personal archive and papers. Come meet ‘Haden’, ‘Edward’, and ‘Kent’."

Come a little early and enjoy the garden at no additional entrance cost. Ticket Rates Members $10 Non-members $10


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this really Ross Sapote ???
« on: December 15, 2020, 09:16:12 PM »
They look close...
I’m growing about 10 seedlings directly from Bill Whitman’s original ‘Ross’ introduction from 1968.

I look forward to seeing what differences may occur between them since Ross is generally grafted.
Nice to see Shot has some direct specimens from Bill. Were they all grafted?

That’s probably a Pine Island tag... you definitely probably overpaid for it. Any cultivar name that is someone‘s first and last name is concerning and pretty lame.

It’s the Rare Fruit Council International headquartered in Miami, Florida. They are not a chapter but rather the charter of the organization.

Without sharing superfluous info the non misnomer name is

‘Matt’s Giant’

not whatever the eBay seller is selling it as. These probably come from Pine Island originally. That’s how the misnomer occurred. As it so frequently occurs with misnomers and swip swapping of names. A cultivar named after your first and last name is just lame IMO lol.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mammea americana air layering?
« on: November 25, 2020, 05:16:11 AM »
Marcotting a non bearing specimen of a species that is known to produce male seedlings is not a sure shot approach. Our tree took approx 13 years to fruit. It has produced plentifully every year since 2013.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: FmFruitforest- Guava Trees 2018 stats
« on: November 13, 2020, 05:42:14 AM »
my best producer has been Excalibur guava which i think is also known as common homestead guava.

I noticed you properly wrote ‘Ruby’ x ‘Supreme’ as a hybrid unlike most people. I found your comment referencing the Excalibur as a common Homestead interesting, but it’s a potential MISNOMER.

In fact the ‘R’ x ‘S’ hybrid between a red ‘Ruby’ and a white ‘Supreme’ is the legitimate ‘HOMESTEAD’ cultivar whose name has unfortunately been washed out by the hybrid name. It was hand pollinated by Dr. George Ruehle (RFCI founder) in 1944 at UF TREC in Homestead’s Redland.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Younghan's" white sapote
« on: June 04, 2020, 03:22:51 AM »
Minor comment, worth a new post for distinction. It's not a possesive 's the name is


the name ends in S

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: "Younghan's" white sapote
« on: June 04, 2020, 03:21:10 AM »
I wrote Top Tropicals a message since Seymour Younghans and his wife were original founders of the Rare Fruit Council in Miami (1955). This was prior to the whole Rare Fruit Council of South Florida / International chartering thing with Australia and Florida Chapters.

Big thank you to Top Tropicals for correcting their database to reflect the right cultivar ‘YOUNGHANS

"Dear Rare Fruit Council International RFCI Miami
Thank you very much for your correction and information. Originally we got this name from a grower who apparently was unaware of the correct name and the history behind it. Much appreciated!"

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia madronos finally blooming
« on: June 03, 2020, 07:40:38 PM »
madronos are round and bright yellow with prickly skin.

13 years old :'( Any sign of fruit setting? What is the difference between Madruno and Acuminata?!

Garcinia madruno generally has a more roundish shape, there's a few cv. of this documented. Leaves are larger than G. acuminata.

Garcinia acuminata fruit is pointier or acute as per the epithet of this species. I have also seen this referred to as Rheedia bentameriana

Another one of the specimens I found was Rheedia sp. 'Possum 2' / Rheedia acuminata, which was presumably progeny from Bill Whitman's famous charichuela from Iquitos, Peru (1963).

This species can also hybridize with other Garcinia resulting in different colored fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia madronos finally blooming
« on: June 02, 2020, 03:04:37 AM »
Excellent, what color and shape are you expecting? If you know

Nice, on notify.

I am looking for seeds from Venezuela, if anyone has non Caribbean seeds let me know.

Thanks for the special delivery!

Wow, this is amazing!! I'd also be interested in getting a perforated roll if possible. I've actually been looking into buying some Buddy Tape. :)

Thanks so much!!

Interested in pricing of one roll

Just follow the instructions here...
and it will magically appear.

Tropical Fruit Online Library / Re: Genetic Diversity of White Sapote
« on: April 22, 2020, 02:37:42 AM »
Dr. Julia F. Morton’s citation is wrong

Morton, J.F. 1987. White sapote, p. 191–196. Fruits of warm climate. Creative Resource System, Winterville, NC.

The book was notably self published by Julia. Should be Julia Francis Morton, Miami, Florida. Not even via her MORTON COLLECTANEA.

The distributor should not get publishing credit. Similar to the fumble California Rare Fruit Growers published in a recent Annona article. They credited Purdue! ... which simply hosts the book online, as we all know very well. Once again Julia’s self publishing feat goes unnoticed.

Title page replicated here

That’s my point, she did this on her own and the waves are still being felt.

SECOND PLANT LISTED - 04/23/2020 Pseudanamomis umbellulifera, monos plum, Myrtaceae RARE FRUIT seedling



No international, sorry. Shipping via Tropication Rare Plants

I have scarce mature plants but mostly young seedlings. Will sell or trade.

Psidium friedrichsthalianum & P. acutangulum larger.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: who runs Tropicalfruitforum?
« on: April 21, 2020, 06:58:21 PM »
Great recommendation. An SSL certificate shouldn't be too expensive.  8)

This paper by Dr. David Fairchild would be difficult to find because of a typo in the database. I will try to send this to their attention for correction by the FSHS. I am fortunate to have found this via a search of Brosimum in a Vol. of HUNTIA and noticed a citation.

The Ramon Tree Of The Yucatan (Brosimum alicastrym)

Should be

The Ramon Tree Of The Yucatan (Brosimum alicastrum) by Dr. David Fairchild (1945)

I found this interesting.

Edible seeds, leaves and flowers as Maya Super Foods: Function and composition - Armando Cáceres, Sully M. Cruz (2019)

Growing a few seedlings of Brosimum alicastrum. Can trade with anyone wanting to grow it if you have something I am interested... located in Florida. Contact me privately.

"Known as Guaimaso, Mayan breadnut, Ramon, Maseco Native/Origin: Tropical America Fast growing & prolifically fruiting evergreen tree. Thin pericarp edible, sweet. Good timber tree. Intensively cultivated by the ancient Maya. Anthropologists theorize that the Mayans had more time to build temples because, unlike corn, ramon seeds could be stored for food for long periods, without molding. Seeds, which are rich in starch, proteins, & Vitamins A and C, are eaten boiled or roasted, and are said to taste like chestnuts. They may also be toasted, ground, and used as a coffee substitute or ground into flour for tortillas. Genus name means 'edible-one'." - Larry Schokman

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida visit
« on: December 16, 2019, 03:16:41 AM »
The Treasure Coast Rare Fruit Club put together this excellent list with a visual map aide of the top gardens in Florida. I personally helped Larry compile the list and since I am located in Miami the options were plentiful my neck of the woods.

Some more Miami area gardens below (South Dade / Redland / Homestead) included.

Hope this helps.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chirimoya Soursoup hybrid sold in Spain?
« on: December 10, 2019, 06:13:56 AM »
Así es la vida... c’est la vie. Quite funny coming from such a polished culture. My descendants are from Spain, I don’t mean it as an insult. I guess they need more rare fruit education over there.

Unfortunatelly most of the people don't know what they are growing or selling, and very often if they don't have the information, they just tell you anything, in order to give you any reply.

On the other hand, most of the people are not very educated, they only learn from hearing, which leads to many errors and mistakes   :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Durian in Florida?
« on: December 04, 2019, 10:48:09 PM »
I was there recently, fairly certain they still have several left, but not like before. They also removed the Langsat tree and one of the mangosteen trees =(

They removed the langsat tree and and a mangosteen from the green house!? Do you know why?

The greenhouse is part of the Science Village / Conservatory. It's known as the Whitman Tropical Fruit Pavilion. The name was recently changed to the Bill & Angela Whitman Fruit Pavilion. -

Has anyone been successful in fruiting durian in Florida? I have seen a few decent size trees at Fairchild tropical gardens, but never seen any fruit. I don't know of any other durian trees here in Florida.

I haven't heard of anyone fruiting it in Florida. I think those durian trees at Fairchild may have all been cut down recently. Anyone can confirm?

The Durian trees remain. The Lansium will be replanted once the marcotts we prepared from Bill Whitman's original 'Conception' are ready for planting. I will personally be helping with this planting alongside other RFCI Miami members.

The Rare Fruit Council Int'l. (RFCI), Miami will be more actively involved volunteering in the "Whitman Pavilion", at the request of Angela Whitman who aside from being a benefactor sits on the board of directors of Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava Grafting (top work)
« on: November 23, 2019, 04:02:04 PM »
Updated the original FSHS PDF since the database was moved to a new URL string.

Methods of Guava Top-Working - S. E. Tamburo, S. John Lynch, Roy O. Nelson 321 - 323 - 1956-06-13

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