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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #375 on: May 12, 2021, 12:21:20 AM »
I havenít need to water yet after potting them since they are kept in high humidity. I will only water them when the pot feels light. I think at this stage itís best not to water until the potting mix is dry. Just like rooting cuttings - overwatering kills new roots easily

Ken, I absolutely agree. I still havenít watered since my initial watering. Itís starting to dry up but thereís still probably 30-40 moisture in the soil. I may have to water tomorrow or on Thursday. Since itís out of direct sun and the humidity is kept high from my humidifier, the soil is taking a long time to dry out.

I donít want it to be bone dry, but I also donít want root rot.

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« Reply #377 on: May 12, 2021, 03:00:35 PM »
Simon- YOU DA MAN. Awesome work so far and thanks for sharing the valuable knowledge.

My Biqi is the only one that is still alive, with tiny buds trying to push, slowly. The An Hai I gifted to a friend died (shoulda kept it, haha) I did graft branches from each variety and noticed a green bud pushing through the graft tape on the An Hai graft today. Iíve been watering with rain water and only watered once. I donít think the dongkui or black peak had much of a chance to begin with...only Biqi and An Hai had the little white roots and tiny leaves when I picked them up.

Good luck everyone!
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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #378 on: May 12, 2021, 04:39:46 PM »
Simon and Richard, that is some really encouraging growth. I hope that they continue to thrive!

As for my 4 trees, my results have been less exciting:
* 1 dongkui - died back to just above the graft, rootstock is still green
* 1 dongkui - green with no new growth
* 2 biqi - green with tiny buds, but not pushing.

After a week in high humidity, I wrapped each tree. They remain in ambient light with ~60% rh at 70-75 degrees.

I grafted 3 of each variety onto M. Californica and Iím seeing some swelling in each of the grafts except one biqi which looks a bit dried out. Iím actually hoping they slow down a bit since I want the grafts to heal more before they push. These are in part sun.
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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #379 on: May 12, 2021, 06:53:08 PM »
Thanks FV Fruit Freak and Kuhyay,

Hopefully the growth continues but I do see more of the thinner branches dying.

Something we should all keep our eyes out for is the fungus attacking the leaves of Yangmei plants in China. The fungus is called Pestalotiopsis sydowiana and hereís a it more information.

https://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-01-12-0065-PDN


Probably nothing we should be overly concerned about but if we see the described patterns of necrosis on the leaves, we may want to treat it immediately.

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #380 on: May 13, 2021, 01:28:05 AM »
This abstract says that the soils in Yangmei growing regions have a soil pH of around 4-6. They also mentioned the soils had low organic matter and the orchards all had high B content which I presume is Boron. Very interesting information

https://pdf.hanspub.org/HJAS20191200000_58692802.pdf

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #381 on: May 13, 2021, 01:32:16 AM »
Those samples were from a single province in China so we canít assume all Yangmei growing provinces will have a similar soil analysis result.

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« Reply #382 on: May 13, 2021, 01:51:38 AM »
Yup, looks like Boron may be a piece of the puzzle in keeping these trees happy.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01904167.2013.864305

Beware of the extreme toxicity to plants if boron is over applied. Iíve nearly killed a few mango trees when I accidentally over applied boron on my trees. The leaves turned yellow and chlorotic. It took me several months to slowly flush away the excess Boron.

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #383 on: May 13, 2021, 10:03:20 AM »
Too much heat and light can cause increased photo inhibition. In other words, when itís hot and sunny, photosynthetic capacity is reduced.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=myrica+rubra+scholarly+growing+articles+site:www.sciencedirect.com&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DMY-KhtkBuTYJ

I also wanted to update that my Dongkui and Black Peak donít look so good. Although there are a few buds on each tree, the buds look like they could be drying up but a few buds still look ok.

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #384 on: May 13, 2021, 12:58:14 PM »
Hereís an update on my Biqi



And the same Biqi but growths from the rootstock



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« Reply #385 on: May 13, 2021, 01:01:23 PM »
Hereís my An Hai





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« Reply #386 on: May 13, 2021, 01:07:53 PM »
Wow Simon, you really have it dialed. I am impressed. Mine aren't even close to there.

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #387 on: May 13, 2021, 01:11:26 PM »
I finally have roots popping out the bottom but only for An Hai. There is perlite in my mix, the roots are the longer thin growths coming out of the drainage holes.



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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #388 on: May 13, 2021, 01:38:52 PM »
I finally have roots popping out the bottom but only for An Hai. There is perlite in my mix, the roots are the longer thin growths coming out of the drainage holes.



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Have you watered yet? Impressed the roots have already made it down there

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« Reply #389 on: May 13, 2021, 02:17:48 PM »
No, I only watered them on the very first day when I potted them. The pots still feel like thereís about 30-40% moisture so I will probably wait one more day when theyíre closer to 30% moisture remaining. The roots are poking through because I put them in the smallest container that I could fit them into. This gives me easier control of soil moisture.

Because the cut tap root and secondary roots were already at the bottom of the pot, they only needed to grow a tiny bit in order for me to see them.

My plan is to let them fill this small pot with roots and transplant them to the next size pot before they get root bound. With this technique, the root hairs will attach to the fibers in my soil mix and the entire root ball should slide out without much transplant shock.

This is how I did it for my rooting experiments with other species.

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #390 on: May 13, 2021, 04:29:13 PM »
Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that thereís roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.

Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Hereís a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.

You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasnít bridged.

I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. Itís not something Iíve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.





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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #391 on: May 13, 2021, 04:38:50 PM »
Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that thereís roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.

Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Hereís a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.

You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasnít bridged.

I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. Itís not something Iíve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.





Wow Fang, that looks super promising! I havenít done any grafts yet. I wanted to keep all the green branches in hopes the scion will push. My Donkui and Black Peak have buds but nothing is budging, I guess this could be good so that the roots can catch up.

Hopefully one of my rootstock buds is a male so I can share scions with you and other members with living trees.

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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #392 on: May 13, 2021, 05:20:31 PM »
Wow, Simon, I think your plants are back to good health now that thereís roots and the shoot growth is longer. I did the same thing with the smallest containers and light potting mix so I could tell when to add water. It took 4-6 months for me though.

Oftentimes the grafts start to grow and then turn brown. Hereís a couple shots today of my grafts. The grafts were done in January.

You can see how there are many buds that pushed and turned brown right after. One of them did keep growing. The small green one is not out of the woods yet. This is why I say having the graft push too soon after grafting is not a good sign. They die once they run out of available buds if the graft union hasnít bridged.

I did grafting during the cool season. You guys doing grafts this round can provide data on how well spring grafts work with the warmer weather. Who knows, it might help them heal faster. Itís not something Iíve tried before but I hope for a good outcome.





Thanks for sharing! It took 3-4 months for the second graft (side graft) to grow just that little bit? What graft did you use for the first one?

Is the rootstock M. Californica?

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« Reply #393 on: May 13, 2021, 06:53:06 PM »
Nice Simon,roots mean your on your way to growth.

Fang, nice work grafting on your plants and rootstock your using?
Your guy's are getting great results on your plants keep up the great work we all are looking up to you guy's ;) 8)

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« Reply #394 on: May 14, 2021, 10:50:28 AM »
Thanks Scott, Iíll keep everyone updated on the progress of these plants.

Marta Matvienko from Reallygoodplants.com has had success growing out Yangmei seeds. She is a geneticist and has mentioned that mono potassium phosphate may be very detrimental to Yangmei plants. She also mentioned that there is anecdotal evidence that Yangmei likes Iron.

Marta also mentioned that young Yangmei plants may be very sensitive to pest pressures and she recommends that we avoid putting our trees under the shade of larger trees because the larger trees could rain down spores and bugs (mites and thrips) which could easily overwhelm a young Yangmei plant. If your tree is already under a larger tree, she recommends checking the leaves for pest damage. Instead of a tree, she recommends a shade structure or shade sail.

I donít know Marta. It would love to have her here on this forum to give us some advice if sheís not already a member.

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« Reply #395 on: May 14, 2021, 12:40:36 PM »
What a small world, I just emailed Marta and she knows Leo Manuel. Anyways, Marta said that using media/soil with low organic content seemed to help with the seedlings survival in pots. She believes it helps because of the better drainage.

Marta also mentioned that once the roots have established, she fed her plants with a diluted soluble fertilizer. Her experience is with growing out seedlings but this can help us significantly if we want to propagate more trees.

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« Reply #396 on: May 14, 2021, 06:15:24 PM »
For those of you that have Yangmei trees where the scions have died back, donít give up on the tree because the rootstock is Yangmei and you could have a good seedling selection or perhaps a male seedling. Marta does DNA testing to determine the sex of Yangmei and it costs $200 for ten samples so itís not bad at all.

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« Reply #397 on: May 14, 2021, 06:50:20 PM »
i started moving the biqi trees out in the sun.  they still have a bag on them but im pushing 1 of them into full sun already just to see how hard I can push it.  seems ok so far been doing it for 3 days now increasing the exposure each day.  its got leaves starting to grow. 
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Re: Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order - trees all gone
« Reply #398 on: May 14, 2021, 08:59:26 PM »
i started moving the biqi trees out in the sun.  they still have a bag on them but im pushing 1 of them into full sun already just to see how hard I can push it.  seems ok so far been doing it for 3 days now increasing the exposure each day.  its got leaves starting to grow.

Nice. Are you bringing them in at night?
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« Reply #399 on: May 14, 2021, 09:10:58 PM »
Brad, thanks for pushing the limits. Keep us updated on how this plant handles the sun. If it does well, we wonít have to baby them as much.

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