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  Has your Maha bloom?
All mature trees sent out flower stems back in January, including Maha. However the younger seedlings (2.5" or larger trunk) just sent out now. I believe the trees that didn't have much fruits last year tend to send out flower earlier, and those that had more fruits last year are starting to have flower buds now.
Will see after this cold week if the weather not warm up fast, then I might pick off all of the old flowers to stimulate a new ones.

  They are doing really well despite all the water and cold temps (zone 10b) with surprisingly no damage to leaves at all. They are now flowering and hoping to graft to them in summer time. 

Direct hot sun in summer can be very bad for the young trees, so be warned. Protect the bark.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Identity of mango in Singapore?
« on: March 27, 2023, 09:21:56 PM »
Did you save the seeds?

I did not, it was a couple years ago and I live in California where they would be...very angry at me for bringing in anything that could risk the agriculture here :(
No jail term. They would throw it into the trash bin if caught. You could clean the seed really good, then paint it as a Buddha and put on a neck then they wouldn't know. 

The cold weather in soCal this year delay all of my mango flower buds from opening and they are blacken. The pic in my post #7 of Feb 18 with all the flower buds and none have opened. How is everyone's mango flower condition?

My Mango tree appears to be in distress.
It will be fine.

Lost my black sapote after one cold night years ago. It was so full of leaves and near ripe fruits, but Bam - one night and it gone. It was about 5ft talk. Never have tasted BS fruit yet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: March 02, 2023, 02:48:26 AM »
The trees on the slope fruited faster than those downhill.
How many years and how large the trees to fruit? Why top work them -- don't like the honey sweet Okrung? I like them.

As those are all monoembryonic types, I would plant a rootstock now and graft it with one of those types after it's three years old.

Does it care matching rootstock and scions with mono or poly?

I grafted Kesar and Alphonso on my unknow fruited rootstock; I have been eat Kesar the last few year, and Alphonso last year first time.They both have wonderful aroma but alphonso taste stronger sweeter. I like both. No Keitt for me -- too watery and nothing special. 

Temps inside were getting into the 90s
Seed mold: someone suggested to soak the seeds in diluted bleach solution first.
Socal has been so cold, so how did you get 90 in the green house? With heater?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please identify this fruit
« on: February 18, 2023, 05:01:27 PM »
I also think its black sapote.

I think you're right. The more I look at the darken branches and the leaves, the more I think it's BS. I used to have a young tree with full of green fruits, not ripen yet and the cold winter down to 32F that killed it instantly on one night. I remember the fruits were different shape than in pic, but it was a long time ago so I must be wrong. Have never tasted a BSapote yet. One day I will get a fruit from this tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: SoCal mango start flowering
« on: February 18, 2023, 04:55:08 PM »
My franken Manila has started to bloom also for 3 weeks now and I've been spraying sulfur once a week since then. I'm determined to get some fruits this coming season. Powdery mildew has been wrecking havoc for the last 2 years.
The tree is 16 years old but no that tall.
16 yrs old grafted tree planted when it's 2 ft tall? Young grafted tree takes forever to grow.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: SoCal mango start flowering
« on: February 18, 2023, 04:47:30 PM »
wow, more than 3 months since I reported of the flower panicles on the trees, and now here they are still with flower buds not open yet. The cold weather slow down the flower development, I think. So far no bad sign of PM yet. I hope the buds will fully open for the bees in March and it should be warmer by then. I also think we only have the best wind from March to early May, before the marine layer moving in causing morning dews in warm weather and it a good recipe for PM. Took this pic this morning on LZ + O-krung tong grafted on HD mexican rootstock:


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 17, 2023, 02:08:02 AM »
You’re in zone 10a, greenhouse, not a tropical as the author of the books assumed or in Florida.
So no, even with your 3 yrs old seedling in ground. I grafted mine when they were with 3” trunk.

Pomegranate cuttings root easily in water and soil, but mature tree will die if the old trunk is covered with soil.
Longan seems to be ok so far in my yard with new high soil.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 16, 2023, 08:18:27 PM »
There is no need to wait for a rootstock to become mature and fruit-bearing before you graft onto it, and for many trees (avocados, citrus, others) you'll have much better luck using small seedlings. I assume that mangoes are similar?
Not for mango. I suggest to read "mango grow in SoCal" thread.
If graft to a young rootstock, the young tree will try to flower and stop grow, then runs out of energy, depress, and die. Grafting to small rootstock is for commercialize, not for home growers.

That does look close! Most of the results online show a fruit with a pink or purple blush when unripe, and these are solid deep green, even in direct sun. Otherwise it looks real close, and Internet photos are notoriously inaccurate.

None in the pic looks like my Lance, color and shape. Maybe the climate makes the difference. Notice the dots on the skin. Most of mine turned yellow from green, and some had a little red tint if exposed to full sun.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ripening Green Sapote
« on: February 16, 2023, 08:07:35 PM »
wait for them to get soft and skin start wrinkling.

Soft and wrinkled white sapote is no good. Green sapote never ripe properly as banana or mango. Only ripe on the tree and timing is critical: just give to the squeeze and discarded when soft.

I am 99% sure your is Lancetilla. Here is my tree ripen fruit. I am not crazy about it -- almost taste like Valencia pride -- but it is a reliable fruiting many bombs good for green mango salad.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help save Mango
« on: February 16, 2023, 07:47:53 PM »
it was the last varietal branch. Who knows. What is this disease?

I call it brown wood disease (and probably anthracnose). I used to have this problem on most of my bought grafted mango trees. No more, as I only grafted on my home grown rootstock. The healthy rootstock will overcome most disease fairly easy. Young trees don't like to be in full sun which weaken them and succumbed in the cold winter.

Too late for your tree now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 16, 2023, 07:33:14 PM »
Is there any way to use the little seedling without waiting for it to grow more first, or should I stick with the larger one instead?
What is your objective? Ornamental or fruit tree? For fruits, wait until the rootstock have flower and fruits, then do the grafting. Why graft now?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Please identify this fruit
« on: February 16, 2023, 07:23:27 PM »
My first thought was black sapote, but upon close it didn’t look like one.
It seems like someone had picked the fruits when they were ready -- saw the empty stems but nothing on the ground. Must be an edible fruit tree and the fruit to stem attachment point looks like magosteen and black sapote.

Pic taken on 10/2/2022 in San Diego.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How are your Lychees doing in Socal?
« on: February 07, 2023, 02:09:05 AM »
Sweetheart lychee grafted onto Emperor lychee. Amazing 1year of growth. Graft was done on 3/26/22
Hi there, what type of graft is it? I'm thinking it's a cleft graft as often used for mango, but not sure.

I bet it's one of the green type fig that should be ripen in late Fall.
No leaves means junk fruits.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: SoCal mango start flowering
« on: December 07, 2022, 08:36:54 PM »
I don't know if the cold weather, or PM, that caused the fruits to have no developed seed and then they all cracked and fell off. This is the reason why I only let the trees hold fruits after March/April.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango: 2023 SoCal mango start flowering
« on: December 06, 2022, 06:41:54 PM »
Most of my trees start to send out flower stokes on Dec 1st 2022 -- much early than normal. Too bad as I will only let the fruitlets hold after March. I think reason is those trees didn't have flowers or fruits this year and they are busted with energy.

Same for your trees?

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