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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: December 04, 2021, 10:58:48 PM »
Had a great time with good people sharing some excellent homegrown fruit. Favorite cherimoya was the Honey heart.  Flesh was creamy, super sweet, but held together well after slicing. Bradís pineapple was a nice bonus treat. Thanks again for hosting. A couple images of the spread.

Has this ever held fruit for you?  If so, how large of a fruit set and what did you think of the taste?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:43:20 PM »
Would love to attend as well if there is still room.  I have some Dr.White seedling fruit that I could contribute to the table.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My coastal southern California garden
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:34:22 PM »
The Red Baron peach blooms and variegated Namwah leaves are stunning!  What a beautiful space. I got a good chuckle from your ancient passion vine. Who says they only last 5 years. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 21, 2021, 11:21:47 AM »

Theres a taco shop nearby i go to often and I asked them one time if they wanted to buy some avocados.  The woman who owned it was interested but she was saying they needed to have a sticker from a packing house on them so they could trace it if there was a problem.  It sounded like excessive government regulation but she may have been wrong about that, I dont know.  She seemed to have some serious concern about the government showing up and looking at everything.  I have no idea if thats really a requirement for resturaunts?

Brad, Sounds like the California Avocado Commission propaganda made its way to your taco shop owner. They donít mess around. ;) careful, before you know it, you will start producing over 10,000 lbs and forced to pay their growers assessments.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado poll
« on: November 20, 2021, 11:15:13 PM »
I wish I have tasted a few of these varieties, but not yet. I have Hass and Fuerte trees. IMO, Fuerte is a solid avocado, but not anywhere near the same quality as Hass.  I canít get Hass to produce consistently year after year in heavy quantities.  I donít water them enough and timing fertilization is important. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: November 13, 2021, 09:04:16 AM »
I have a new gopher patrol on my property. For the past several weeks, a grey Herron has been keeping my gopher population in check.  Watching these evolved dinosaurs hover over the holes in the morning, stab the emerging gopher with their long beaks, and pull their lifeless bodies from the hole is quite satisfying. I have some grainy Bigfoot video of the bird carrying a dead gopher trophy, but can never get a solid video of the hunt.  Too far for an iPhone camera and I donít want to disturb him while hunting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: November 13, 2021, 08:45:14 AM »
Last mangos hanging on my trees are the seedling Sensation mangos. This the treeís first year producing even though itís my oldest seedling of 7+ years. Sun exposed skin turns a dark purple then changes to a bright red upon ripening. Fruit has dense flesh and very ordinary, classic mango flavor, most would call boring. Low fiber similar to a Mexican Kent but not on the same level of complexity. Decent late season mango when all others have been picked in my location is the best I can say about it. Wikipedia description of Sensation mango is pretty spot on with this seedling tree, however, mine has always been sickly and grows as dwarf size. Monoembryonic seed.

La Verne nursery must be planting seeds for their guava varieties. Either that or their quality control sucks.  I have heard too many stories from people who purchased a tropic white and got a pink guava instead.  Personally, I have purchased a pink and two whites from Home Depot. One of the whites turned out to be a very faint pink fleshed variety, likely a hybrid of white and pink.
My pink guavas and red Malaysian are definitely more acidic than the whites.  Iím skeptical of a guava that tastes like bubblegum.  If Dolores and Jalisco red truly have even a hint of that flavor, someone should propagate on a large scale, rebrand them with some ridiculous name like ďBubblegum BallĒ or ďJuicyfruitĒ, and watch the money roll in. Based on the Zill mangos, we donít even the fruit to taste like the name (Cotton Candy, Peach Cobbler) for it to be success.  Just a superior guava with a exaggerated name will suffice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Silica to improve mango branch strength?
« on: October 30, 2021, 05:40:49 PM »
Apparently, it prevents powdery mildew when applied as a foliage spray.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Starfruit- Anyone Growing It ?
« on: October 27, 2021, 11:19:00 PM »
I have a Fwang Tung that I purchased from Ong Nursery four years back.  I was very hesitant about planting it in the ground considering a large number of comments online warned against planting it in the inland areas of SoCA due to the extreme dry summer heat and Santa Ana winds.  I went ahead and planted that bad boy in the ground in full sun, exposed to the elements.  It has grown like a champ, up to 10 feet tall, consistently producing loads of fruit in late fall. I never get a spring crop even though it flowers every spring, but the fall harvest and fruit quality is worth having it around.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: October 27, 2021, 11:15:24 AM »
Picked one of my tree ripened Paheri seedling mangos this week.  This was the first year of production from a 5 year old seedling located in inland SD county (Escondido).  The growth from this tree is extremely vigorous, nearly 9 feet tall, with long thin leaves similar to the growth and leaf patterns described online from Paheri mango tree variety.  The fruit grew in one large cluster (see pict) with a bright red blush on the sun exposed side.  The taste of the fruit was amazingly sweet with an intense pine resin flavor near the skin and stem.  True to its parent, the mango is completely fiberless with smooth flesh.  Seeds from the fruit are monoembryonic.  This tree will be a very nice complement to the grafted Zill varieties on my property.  Although this is just one example, it should help dispel the myth that seedlings from Mono seed fruit always result reduced quality from the parent tree.  Plant those seeds!

Was jogging in downtown San Diego east village over the weekend and spotted this 20+ foot beast doing its thing. Largest I have seen in the downtown area. Sorry for the crappy pict.
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Thatís a bummer regarding the Winters mango. I remember several years back, I tried to get ahold of a Winters (20222) tree because the mangos had a really nice blush hanging from the tree. Great production makes it more appealing, but unspectacular flavor is a big turnoff.
I have a vigorous Manila seedling (Home Depot special) that I decided to topwork entirely over the next couple seasons. I could have lived with a vigorous mango tree that produced fruit similar to Ataulfo mango, but it delivers the most fiber filled mangos Iíve ever eaten. This tree got the Devito genes of the Manila mango clone apparently.  On the other hand, I have a Paheri, Sensation, and Okrung seedling trees that produced for the first time this year, all solid mangos that are a testament to their parentage. Maybe I will post details in the mango seedling thread.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya tasting /get together
« on: October 11, 2021, 09:02:55 AM »
Sounds like fun. Would love to see how different the many cultivars taste side by side.  Iíve had a few, but they always taste like Ďcherimoyaí to me, without any noticeably differentiated qualities.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Strawberry guava not looking good.
« on: September 02, 2021, 04:36:34 PM »
Looks like it has more fruit than leaves.  Thatís probably adding additional stress to the tree in consistent hot weather.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rare fruit plants for sale
« on: August 19, 2021, 12:18:49 AM »
PM sent

George harvested, wrapped, and shipped scions on Monday and I got them today and grafted. Sent a few extra for good measure. Great service for us CA growers if youíre looking for fresh budwood and a large selection. USPS has been good at sending priority mail in 2-3 days from FL. Great experience!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit party
« on: August 10, 2021, 01:55:13 PM »
It really was an awesome event.  Brad is an excellent host and generous in sharing his property for such an event. I ate so much fruit that I felt ill upon departure.  Would definitely do it all over again  8)
Thanks again to all who contributed to the amazing spread!  It was a pleasure meeting new people and interacting with those who share the same passion for rare and common fruit growing. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planning a Trip to San Diego
« on: August 10, 2021, 01:50:18 PM »
I have visited SD botanical garden several times and had no issues with sampling fruits from the heavy producing trees (pitanga, rose apple, stone fruit).  I wouldnt recommend cutting down banana racks or harvesting their mangos.  That might draw their ire. 
Exotica is a great place to visit, sample fruit, and check out all the rare plants.  If I'm in the area, I sometimes drop by just to walk through and enjoy the oddities.  There should be plenty of fruit in season over there. 
Those are the only two places I know of were you can find some tasty treats.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit party
« on: August 06, 2021, 01:08:02 PM »
Looks like I have some Elberta peaches to bring and a couple Ice cream beans maybe some Passion fruit. I also have a box of Mexican Kent mangos that are ripe. Was hoping to bring some black and white sapotes, but they will need a few more days before ripe.
Happy to pitch in for the cost of the Hawaiian lychees. Hasta maŮana.

Solid mangosteens available at H-Mart today for $9.99/lb. yeah itís a splurge, but rarely are they available in this quality from Mexico no less.  You can even make the futile effort in growing out the seeds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: July 25, 2021, 01:27:38 PM »

Pretty awesome when DFs go full bloom explosion. This is a generic pink flesh dragon fruit going nuts on an old Hass avo tree. The tree doesnít produce much but acts as a great scaffold for the DF to climb.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit party
« on: July 22, 2021, 08:57:08 AM »
Iím interested and the 7th will work for me.

Hey Ken,

Congrats on the farm purchase.  Finding arable land in SD county is not an easy task and I wish you the best of luck. As you know, unincorporated Escondido encompasses a large area, from Hidden Meadows all the way down to San Pasqual valley with so many little microclimates in between. It looks like you have old avocados on the property, so you can likely grow many subtropicals to keep your belly full. It will take some trial and error to discover which plants do well in your soil and climate. Consider the potential impact of the random 100+F days with high winds.  Direct sun in CA inland is not the same as direct sun in Florida.  Information online regarding plant tolerances does not always apply to our harsh sun and low humidity.  Frost threats all depend on the topology of your property and its location to valley or canyon floors.
I have planted 4 acres on a 6 acre lot, and thatís about all I can reasonably manage on my own. As others have mentioned, you will have to combat gophers, squirrels, rabbits, and deer who cumulatively create a lot of havoc. Expect coyotes to chew on your drip lines and destroy irrigation lines. Make homemade gopher cages for new seedling trees knowing that you will never trap them all and they multiply quickly. A random deer came through, mowed through my vineyard and ate all my sweet tart mangos this year. Bastards. If you can afford fencing, it will pay off in the long run.
Last, and probably most important, is identifying a sustainable source of water.  If you donít have a productive well on the property, you will need one.  City water is far too costly in the long run and you need plenty of water for the hot summer days. Invest in a large tank for well water storage and plan out your irrigation carefully, automating as much as possible with drip systems.
This is a pretty basic summary, but Iím always happy to discuss in more detail if you want to drop a PM. 

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