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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: November 24, 2021, 11:55:32 PM »
I have a small Okitsu tree which had 5-6 fruits (I stripped about 20 of them in early summer).   They are yellow now and taste about same sweet as Satsuma's fruits but much less sour.  Most Satsuma fruits still have some sour but many feel that was good.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: November 24, 2021, 07:52:38 PM »

How are your Xie Shan, Kiyomi, Sumo, Ponkan, etc all doing?   Any new update of taste evaluation?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Sumo fruit?
« on: November 07, 2021, 01:54:36 PM »
I had a Kishu tree which some of its fruits often have some knots. 
Wow, I have never seen a Kishu fruit with a bump on the neck like that. I grow 2-3 Kishu trees and they all do not have that neck. Very interesting Kishu tree your neighbor has.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this HLB?
« on: November 02, 2021, 01:09:14 PM »
Photos are not seen

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Sumo fruit?
« on: November 01, 2021, 11:25:18 PM »
Dec-Jan could be too early.   Sumo might be like gold nugget which can hang on tree for several months.   I had gold nugget fruits picked in June.  The longer they hang, they taste sweeter. But it may cause the tree alternative bearing.

Eric, it will be interesting to taste the fruits of my newer grafts from 2020 and the older grafts from 2017. I will try to wait until Dec-Jan to do the taste test but I think the 2020 grafted fruits will fall off before Dec.

I have so many citrus varieties that it could be a sport, all my trees are multi-grafted with more than 10 varieites each so you never know. I have an excellent tasting satsuma I call "unk#1" which has small bumpy skin, peels easy, very sweet with a little tartness. It even tastes better now than my Xie Shen fruits, its the one that had 24 fruits on the small grafted branch that I grafted back in 2017 and lost the tag.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Sumo fruit?
« on: November 01, 2021, 01:53:55 PM »

Your photos are great. As you said, my fruits should be Sumo, which I grafted in 2020 with CCPP's bud.

Also interesting that you have the "flat" Sumo, which we never saw before.  Maybe you accidently developed a new variety ?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Sumo fruit? - Photos are added
« on: October 31, 2021, 06:52:51 PM »

Photos of 5 fruits are added.   Two of them have the seeable traces of neck.   It was grafted to a mature gold nugget tree.

Citrus General Discussion / Is this a Sumo fruit?
« on: October 30, 2021, 07:03:57 PM »
Is this a Sumo fruit?  Note that it does not have the typical little neck Sumo Fruits usually have.

I grafted the CCPP's bud to a Gold Nugget tree in last summer.   It grow into a small branch and produced 5 fruits in this year.   They are all the same size, pretty much a Washington orange size now.   What puzzled me is that none of them have the typical Sumo neck.

Do you Sumo fruits like this?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: October 19, 2021, 05:51:30 PM »
Looks that you have a lot of fruit lovers in your yard.

For Satsuma fruits, we noticed they have a process like this so picking up times make big differences:
first they change color and get sweet with sour and tartness,
then they become less sour and less tartness (or sweeter),
then they start becoming soft and a little dry but not sweeter,
They start baggy but not sweet.

Ok, thanks for you comments Malhar and Jim. Maybe I better try to cover my last Xie Shan fruits with metal mesh and try to wait until they all turn bright orange. I might be picking them to soon still. I will do this today and wait like you guys until it is fully orange (2-3 wks).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:02:45 PM »

Are your Xie Shan fully ripe? Did you have change to reevaluate it? 

I grafted some on late Aug and looks they are taken this time.

Just tasted the second Xie Shan fruit I picked. It does not have hardly any acidic/tart flavor, but it is sweet without being bland. My unkown satsuma was just like other satsuma in taste with a little tartness but not as sweet. This Xie Shan is not fully ripe but it tastes better than many ripe satsuma.


Out of 6 very thin seeds I found from 10 Orri fruits, I got two very thin and weak baby plants .  They eventually dried out in the hot summer.   One web article mentioned FL has the plants for sale from a nursery but no one in CA yet.   
Here's my taste test update as of 9-26-21:

1a) Orri (Israel)- sweetest of them all
1b) Sumo/Shiranui - sweet and little tart
2) Xie Shan -still did not taste a fully ripe one, only green/yellow so far
3) Gold Nugget
4) Ponkan
5) Honey mandarin (VI-133)
6) Tango

Still did not get to taste the Yosemite Gold which I hear is also excellent, maybe next year, Johnny where would you rate the taste?

EricSC, thanks for the heads up on the Orri, I saw them last weekend at the market so got a dozen to eat, very good, consistent flavor.
When you planted some of the seeds from Orri, were they kinda on the small side? I did find some small seeds in a few fruits from the dozen fruits I ate.

Lovetoplant, here's an update on your question, "which is the sweetest", the answer now is Orri.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: CCPP budwood order
« on: September 27, 2021, 06:53:29 PM »

My Washington fruits are very tasty and flavorful when picked at right time.  But if you let them sit on desk for a week, they will taste just like those from supermarket.

I don't grow the Washington navel so can't make the comparison side by side. It's much sweeter than store bought Washington navel, also larger and easy to peel.

brian and sc4001992,

I have a productive GN so can tell what I have.

GN fruits can stay on tree as long as you like, sure they get sweeter when kept on tree longer.  I picked the last one in middle June with no puffiness.   They always juicy and fresh. 

Yes, they can taste like "sugar water" with no tartness, or sourness, etc.   When compared, GN can be sweeter than if the fruits stay on tree long enough, but less flavorful than satsuma or clementine (But the preference to what flavors can be individually different. ). Yes, I would agree that if a "rich" taste is preferred, GN is not.  When compared, I would think Sumo would be better.  I heard Pixie is also very good.

I have tasted supermarket Irro and agree it should at least the same as or better than Sumo.

For the skin, if the fruits get very big, they usually gets the very bumpy rough skin.


How Shasta Gold is compared with gold nugget?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: tanglefoot direct application experiment
« on: September 08, 2021, 07:54:34 PM »
Local and short-distance dispersal of mealybugs is facilitated by air currents, ant movements, farm labourers and farm implements. Long-range dispersal/movement of mealybugs is usually accomplished by transport of infested plant material.

Spider mites would do the same.

Tanglefoot works great against ants, but is useless at stopping mealybug and spider mites.  I was thinking maybe they were re-infesting from the ground after I sprayed the trees, but they must be coming from eggs in the trees because I never saw any stuck in the tanglefoot.

Shaneatwell, glad you reported your experience.  Despite the seeming safety of this I am still a bit wary of trying it on other species.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Are these leaf minor eggs?
« on: September 08, 2021, 07:46:57 PM »
Do you spray the Neem oil all the summer-fall until cool?
Thanks, There are butterflys fluttering around the citrus all day.  The bird dropping caterpillars have had their share of leaves and even some rather large brown weevils attacked the PT leaves this year.  But the leaf minors aggravate me the most. They sneak up on me when ever I fall behind on the neem oil.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: August 27, 2021, 08:05:57 PM »


Will be interested to hear your follow up evaluation of the Xie Shan fruits.

Satsuma fruits change taste during the ripe period.  My Satsuma fruits start to ripe with funny taste in November (but one of my Japanese friends believed it was perfect), then gradually get sweeter.  By end of Dec and Jan, start baggy and drying but not sweeter.

Mine is also holding too many fruits.  My tree is probably a bad example, though, as it has always been rather unhealthy.  I have noticed that the corner of the greenhouse it is planted in often has standing water from poor drainage, I am thinking that is the reason.

Anyway, they look pretty ripe so I picked one.  It is very tasty, but pretty much identical to Tango in my opinion.  Probably not fair to judge a small tree like this.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: August 27, 2021, 07:57:07 PM »
I did notice the satsuma fruit shape/skin/size change with tree ages and yields.

In low yield years: get  fewer but big fruits.   The tend to have thick and rough skin.   
In a high yield years:   get a lot but small fruits.   They tend to have thin and smooth skin.
(This is more common in gold nugget tangerine tree.  You can see gold nugget tangerine fruits with very different shape / sinks in CA supermarkets).
In some cases, the  very big fruits are dry inside.   It is often seen for fruits from small/young trees.

My satsuma tree had the fruits with little neck in early years, but not now.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Last year for my xie shan
« on: August 27, 2021, 07:39:49 PM »

Great news, Congratulation.   It is great to hear your good news.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Last year for my xie shan
« on: August 17, 2021, 07:05:09 PM »

How is your Xie Shan doing?

Months ago, I bought some Orri mandarins at local supermarket.   They are very sweet with a clean and pleasant flavor.  It has a shin easy peel  rind with no seeds.  Web articles say its patent is expiring, so hopefully the trees will show up in market.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Madison Citrus Nursery.
« on: July 19, 2021, 01:45:22 PM »

It looks very efficient design.   I guess it will need expand with time.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Madison Citrus Nursery.
« on: July 18, 2021, 08:27:41 PM »
Can Kerji and Shiranui pass the NC winter? or what will be the effective protection for winter?

Super nice guy, Mr Boyd is. I bought some Keraji and shiranui from him last month.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: picking cutting for propagation
« on: July 03, 2021, 02:04:39 PM »

Very good.  I tried a couple of times.  No success.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Seeds from Orri Orange germinated
« on: June 30, 2021, 02:00:48 PM »

It is really encouraging.   It will be interesting to see what we get.

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