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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 01:13:10 PM »
I don't have much experience grafting, nor have I had much luck doing it. I have some success in smaller mangos in containers, than in ground trees. But I have 3 small trees that were frozen down to the root stock 2 years ago that have come up nicely since this past winter was very mild, and I would like to graft these with desirable cultivar.

I just received 7 scions in the mail from a well known supplier in Florida. All 3 of one variety, ZINC, look really black. The other 4 are only black at the tips and look good. They all came wrapped in a moist paper towel and were not in parafilm or buddy tape. In your opinion are these worth making an attempt at grafting?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Stolen container trees
« on: May 19, 2019, 03:38:08 PM »
I was going to post this in the "Fruit Thieves" topic I saw a few days ago but I don't see it anymore. I must be losing it.

Got a call an hour ago from a friend I met a little over a year ago. He's an older Mexican gentleman who works part time for the school district in landscaping. He has a big backyard with 3 green/shade houses and hundreds of grafted and seedling mangoes. I give him budwood and he grafts and grows them for me. But he refuses to accept any money. I stopped asking because I think it annoys him. I give him any supplies, budwood, seedlings of other trees, and purchased plants that he'll accept which isn't very much. I gave him 18 scions 2 months ago purchased through a seller here of which 15 took.

Anyways, he calls me and says to take as much of the grafted trees as I want. I told him I just want a couple to give the rest away to his friends and the teachers he works with. He says to take more soon because he doesn't know if there'll be any next time I visit. I asked why. And he tells me over the 3 last weeks they have stolen over a 100 grafted mangoes, dozens at a time, probably coming over the neighbor's wall. He had around 150 Keitts since that's what everyone wants because it's grown commercially here, and now he's down to 22.

This guy doesn't even sell his trees, he just gives them away and grows them for the love of the art. Makes my blood boil that there's a selfless Johnny Appleseed type character out there doing good, and he's paid back with his kindness to the world by having the fruit of his efforts stolen by scumbags.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Would you accept a tree in this condition?
« on: February 09, 2019, 03:00:32 PM »
I ordered an African Pride atemoya from I couldn't find an AP from any of the sellers I normally buy from so I took a chance on these guys. They sent it quickly, it arrived yesterday afternoon. I was putting it in my greenhouse when I noticed the trunk damaged. Would you accept a tree in this condition?

I planted a small 8" seedling mamey sapote last April. It not only has grown pretty fast it seems pretty cold hardy as well.

It got down to about 27 degrees here. I think it killed a 3 year old coco cream mango and a 3 year old Alano sapodilla. All the guavas have defoiliated, even some of my white sapotes got some burn on top. The cold also completely defoiliated all my guamuchil trees which I thought were supposed to be tough.

But my mamey sapote seems to have dealt with the cold pretty well considering.

In the photo(forgive the grass and foilage debris, it's in an unkept portion of the ranch). The mango seedling next to it took some damage, the bananas next to it are in really bad shape, I think some are dead, there's even a little Suriname Cherry if you can spot it that's completely defoiliated but the mamey roughed it out

My little Australian finger lime took the cold pretty good versus most of my subtropicals which took a beating this winter (minus the white sapotes, tree tomato and surinam cherry. I'm pretty sure my coco cream mango and Alano sap are dead). I was wondering if I can graft finger lime scions onto my lemon trees? From what I understand they are normally on a dwarf rootstock and will never get above 6 feet. But the finger lime isn't a true citrus right? So is there any chance of success grafting them on a regular citrus tree?

We have a transportation company and one of our clients who manages a nursery specializing in citrus asked me where he could get up to 10,000 turpentine seeds from Florida, and what ballpark cost he was looking at. I mentioned to him I thought manilla mango seeds work better in California and to call LaVerne nursery to see if they might be feeling friendly and point in him in the right direction but he seems to want "turpentine" mango seeds from Florida for some reason.

Anyone know where to get that sort of thing in bin/pallet quantities?  ;D

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: M-4 mango scions
« on: August 25, 2018, 02:11:36 PM »
Anyone have any for sale or know where I can buy some?

I have noticed that my young subtropicals planted around castor bean plants seem to do better than the others planted around my other shade helper trees, namely moringa and guavas. Their large leaves feel cool to the touch, almost like they've been stuck in a refrigerator.

So, I got out my temp gun and gauged the temperature of leaves of various trees within a 10 foot radius. Here are the results

Banana 107

Guava 108

Feijoa 111

Castor bean 83

Does anyone else notice their cold leaves creating a very nice microclimate for their young tropical trees? Too bad the plant itself is butt ugly.  ;D

Tried to grow probably 20 varieties of fruit 3 years ago. I don't remember what I sowed but the seeds that didn't germinate, I tossed in a raised bed garden. This one came up after a while, so I put into a container, then transplanted into a,spot in the yard. It grew really fast the 1st year, then the winter came, it got down to 26 degrees and it killed about a foot off the top. I then wanted to put a different tree in its place so I moved it. It started to produce fruit this spring but only one took. It has leaves similar to citrus only much larger and lighter.

Any guesses?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB. Black Madeira fig cuttings
« on: February 15, 2018, 01:18:07 AM »

PM if you have any of these cuttings for sale

I will start planting small trees in about a month and I would like to know your experiences with gopher predation on small trees. I purchased a roll of chicken wire and will going down about 12-14" below the surface to protect many of them but this will be a pain the the butt to do for all of them.

Last year they killed:

Lots of guavas, which I planted all around the ranch to provide a good microclimate/shade protection for future small trees before I realized castor bean plants work much better.
2 tamarind seedlings
2 jackfruit seedlings
1 3 foot sweet tart mango(this might have just been rot since I waited a couple of months to pull it after it died)
1 white sapote seedling
1 banana
I know for a fact they don't seem to like any of the annonas but the weather here kills these off just fine so it doesn't really make a difference I guess

I plan on putting these in the ground:

White sapote
Ice Cream Bean
Barbados Cherry
Mango seedlings

Which of these in your experience, gophers seem to munch on and which do they tend to ignore? Along with any other trees they tend to like or ignore, for future reference.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Barhi date season is in full swing
« on: August 17, 2017, 06:46:13 PM »
It lasts only a month here in the states. And the Coachella Valley is cranking them out now in week 2. I don't really care for medjools(we used to have battles throwing them at each other when we were kids), unless they are really dry but I LOVE fresh barhis!

I'm new to the (sub)tropical fruit tree game. So I would like some help identifying this fruiting annona in one of the hottest and driest areas in the nation.

There's this farmer in Thermal, CA (named "Thermal" for a reason) that has an unidentified annona that happens to be fruiting for the first time I have seen in the 3 years I have been observing it. It receives no special attention other than having a drip line run across it. It has no protection against the sun, wind or cold other than being up against a moringa tree. The moringa trees always have a severe die back during the winter but shoot out like a cannon once it reaches 100 degrees like it did in late March. The farmer has used propane heaters in the past to protect the Moringas in winter but the coldest it got this year was 28 degrees and used nothing this mild winter. It has seen temps between 24 degrees and 125 degrees.

What's more amazing is that it has managed to fruit despite being assaulted by hot, dry winds the last 3 weeks. It was a mild 100 degrees today but it was 107 last week. The winds have taken their toll though, I noticed several small fruits on the ground as well as some small ones on the tree that look like they are about ready to fall.

If this tree was in the city, like in Palm Springs or Indio instead of out in the open wind swept country, I have no doubt it would have held on to more fruit.

Can someone help me identify it?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tamarisk tree mulch around mangoes?
« on: May 13, 2017, 06:11:02 PM »
Landscaping company dumped about 20 loads so far of woodchips at our ranch. The farmers that rent the back plan to work it into their field and "pave" the sideroad. The wood chips look really nice, hardly any dirt or leaves, so I was thinking of mulching some of my trees with it. But it looks like the chips are mostly from tamarisk trees, salt cedars.

Is the wood from these trees salty, like their name suggests? I know mangoes are salt sensitive, so it's probably a bad idea to use the mulch for them right? Would you use tamarisk mulch on either guavas or bananas? How about if I let it age a few months in the 100 degree heat, would that affect the salinity?

Or even small seedlings but they need to be shipped unless I can pick them up in the Palm Springs area.

Looking for about 30 fresh seeds but less is fine if that's all that is available

It stays between 105-115 degrees all day here during the summer and my young trees that do not have an obstacle blocking them from western sun exposure have a hard time without protection. I have a bunch of black 60% Agfabric shade material that I wrap around stakes to protect them but it's a battle with dry winds keeping them up and repairing tears.

 I also have a bunch of these Agfabric frost protection bags I never used this winter, and I got to thinking of these migrant worker women I saw working in the fields last summer in the brutal heat. They all had hoodie sweaters on. So I figure these frost protection bags might work great protecting trees from the intense heat here, and since they are bags with draw strings, they would hold up great against the winds.

What do you guys think? Would they work in the summer, or would they do the opposite and overheat the tree because they are not as porous as regular shading material?

In the last month I placed orders from Chinese sellers for seeds. 2 for sapodilla, 1 for longan, and 1 for the carambola. With the latter 2 the seller assured me they would be sent in moist paper. Not only did they not send them in moist paper, every seller sent me tiny seeds of who knows what. Of course Ebay refunded me, but I won't be experimenting with very many more Chinese sellers, because I hear if you have too many issues with your orders, Ebay will revoke your money back guarantee or even suspend your account.

Some of these sellers had thousands of feedback too, all over 98%.

A couple of years ago I sowed quite a few tropical fruit tree seeds. A year later, I sowed all the seeds that didn't germinate in an unused plot, plus some misc tropical fruit tree seeds I didn't want anymore as well as some samples that sellers sometimes include.

Of the stuff that popped up, I kept a few, and gave most away but there are 2 I don't recognize. The first one in the ground, I'm pretty sure is not a fruit tree. The second in the container I'm not so sure. I didn't protect either one from the cold and neither lost leaves, but the one in the container has yellowed just a bit.

Any clue?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Castor bean plant next to edible trees?
« on: April 30, 2016, 03:21:09 AM »
My gf planted a small 8" plant in February next to a 6 foot Sapodilla tree and some Thai pepper plants. I didn't realize what it was until it it had gained some size. It's now 4 feet high with leaves bigger than dinner plates.

I figure it would be good for providing afternoon shade for the Sapodilla during our brutally hot summers but I'm concerned about the toxicity of the Castor Bean plant because every part of the plant is toxic from what I understand. Do you think it's dangerous to plant edible trees next to toxic ones?

A friend gave me a few mango scions to experiment with for my first mango grafting attempt. So I have a question about where I should place these containerized, small 30" trees after i graft them. Outside in shade with 85-90 daytime temps/45-50 nighttime. Or under my LED grow lamps inside my house with 70-85 under lamp temps.

I have a few Cherimoya and Soursop seedlings about the same size under the LED lamp right now, and they seem to thrive under the LED lamp much more than the ones outside, but I can move them until I buy another lamp.

I'm looking to buy 20 Lemon Zest scions, plus another 10 scions of any other premium mango you have, preferably CC but I'm open to availability.

I can pay through PayPal or even money order if you have some history in this forum.

Some dry brush on the neighbor's property caught fire yesterday and the smoke along with the heat and wind, blew right onto my plants. So far everything looks good except for my tomato plants and one of the cartons full of cherimoya seedlings that I had sitting on a rack (luckily I had placed the rest somewhere else). The smoke didn't kill them but it did kill all the top growth. My question is, will this damage affect their growth and possibly stunt them as they grow?

I have 4 cartons of these seedlings I grew and was curious to see which ones, if any, would thrive in our 110-120 degree summers. I grew extras for little tragedies such as this. So I will be putting a lot more effort into growing them in the next few months/years, but if some are going to be stunted perhaps it would be better to cut my losses now and start a new batch? Or I suppose use them as rootstock to graft onto?

What would you do with them?

I bought two 6 foot Sapodilla Haysa trees and had them sent all the way to Southern California from Florida. The root balls were bagged in plastic and it took 5 days to get here, arriving on the 3rd of this month.

One of the trees had all old growth and looked good, and it still looks strong. But the second one, and slightly bigger of the two, had probably 75% of it's leaves that were new growth, bright light green leaves, and it look really sad. All the new leaves, were completely limp. So I transplanted them, 24 hours later the new leaves started to perk up a bit, then I added more water and they started drooping again, so I have been really stingy with the water, adding a little only when it starts to dry up an inch below the surface.

So, here's the problem. I've had the trees 10 days, and put the distressed tree in filtered light(85 deg highs) three days ago and the new growth still looks good, all are perked up and show no signs of distress, but all the old growth leaves are becoming brittle, silvery, and falling off.  What does this mean? I thought the new leaves would be the first to dry up if the plant was in trouble.

I'll post photos tomorrow in the daylight to show, you what I mean.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / How long are Moringa cuttings viable for?
« on: April 11, 2015, 12:18:44 PM »
There is this Indian farmer who has 10+ acres of Moringa next to my parents' ranch. They cut all the trees about 2 months ago. I asked the ranch foreman if I could have some cuttings off the trees, he said I could take 6. But I also asked him about the large cut branches laying on the ground, some as thick as my arm, he was curious as to why I would think those would grow, but told me knock myself out and take as much as I wanted.

It's been 2 months since they cut these trees, and the temp highs here have been between 80-100, plus it's very dry. Any chance of viability with these cuttings?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Should I repot my lychee tree?
« on: March 25, 2015, 07:20:16 PM »
I bought 2 15 gallon 6ft lychee trees in early February, one Sweetheart and one Mauritius. Since that time the Sweetheart has absolutely exploded with new growth as the high temps here have been between 85-100F almost every day. It has new light green leaves everywhere and is blossoming in two areas. My potted Mango and an in-ground Sapodilla that I bought at the same time have also been growing extremely well.

 But my Mauritius hasn't done anything. Nowhere can I see any new growth except for a tiny little stem coming out a few inches above the base. It still looks healthy except for some leaf tip burn that was there when I bought but the Sweetheart was the same way too. I bought the trees in LA, and I'm in the Palm Springs area where it's hotter and drier, so could the Mauritius still be in shock 6 weeks later?

 Do you think I should repot it? If so, should I put it in a larger container(it's only 6ft tall and not super bushy)?

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