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In the early years of growing mangoes in SoCal, with so much failures that I was discouraged and jealous with the mangoes in FL. But now I think as the backyard growers, we are blessed with the dry climate during fruiting months, cold enough winter for flowering, and plenty of sunlight, and our fruits probably taste better than the likely washed out FL mangoes with the uncontrollable summer rains.

Shots fired! 😂

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: September 01, 2021, 09:48:49 PM »
Where were all those keitts headed. Finding CA grown keitts at trader joes is what launched me on mango growing, but I haven't seen them in years. I love those big delicious mangoes, any leads on what markets are carrying them?

I have no idea but the guy I brought them to, his biggest markets are Bay Area, Canada and New York I believe. Here's me loading one of our drivers. They have green mangos stuffed in bins like citrus or bell peppers lol




We started the Keitts sometime during 1st week of August and it lasted about 2 weeks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: September 01, 2021, 07:26:24 PM »
I saw that Wong farms in Thermal, CA use mesh bags over their fruits specifically to prevent sun burns. Seems like a good solution for the situation

That's near where I live. We have a trucking company. We hauled about about 400k lbs of Keitt mangos a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly it all came out of a 46 acre field in Westmorland or Calipatria. It was all packed in Thermal, CA though.

I saw pickup trucks coming into where they were packing the mangos and hauling away thousands of pounds of blemished but huge mangos.... for their cows and goats lol. I don't know why they just didn't sell them to a juice company.

This is ridiculous. Fruits with some blemishes are easily sold off at flea markets. Get these mangoes out there on Saturday and Sunday, they will be scooped up. I suppose one barrier is these mango seconds need refrigeration, that might not be available at a low enough price. Citrus is more durable, this is what I have seen (and eaten) at Florida flea markets. This ugly citrus was prime! Such as tangerines and grapefruit.

Our citrus culls go to the cows too! 😂

When we used to deliver culled carrots to the dairy farms we used to see tons of culled citrus dumped there for feed. I guess the juicers could only take so much citrus at once. Those were the good ole days. Buying culled carrots for $5 a ton and selling it for $20.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: September 01, 2021, 12:23:42 AM »
I saw that Wong farms in Thermal, CA use mesh bags over their fruits specifically to prevent sun burns. Seems like a good solution for the situation

That's near where I live. We have a trucking company. We hauled about about 400k lbs of Keitt mangos a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly it all came out of a 46 acre field in Westmorland or Calipatria. It was all packed in Thermal, CA though.

I saw pickup trucks coming into where they were packing the mangos and hauling away thousands of pounds of blemished but huge mangos.... for their cows and goats lol. I don't know why they just didn't sell them to a juice company.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: August 31, 2021, 08:49:37 PM »
My LZ tree is small  but the sun didn't get through the canopy enough to burn any of my LZ mangos. I did have critter bags on all of the 16 fruits my little tree managed to produce so that helped. Our average high in July was 106 degrees. I think the hottest day was 121 degrees. My guavas on the other hand took a beating on the perimeter of the tree. I will say I've noticed new growth on the LZ fares much better than on my other mango trees. They don't start to get crispy until it's about 112-115 degrees in full sun. I have an M4 and Sweet Tart sitting in shade almost all day and their growth gets singed super easy when temps get up there

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Redland has been moderate for me. The real all star for growth is Rainbow.  I don't know how people could legitimately keep that tree under 20ft

You probably bought the "Rainbow" local being in Florida but out of curiosity where did you buy it? I prefer it being vigorous as I'm planting it on a ranch so space isn't an issue, I've read that rainbow tastes very good too. I've looked around and haven't seen it for sale on the internet. I can buy Vernon and Suebelle at my local Home Depot for cheap.

I have a Vernon that's doing ok. It's 4 years old and about 7 feet tall. It produced a few fruits last year but this years crop looks heavier if I let them all hold. My Suebelle has been has been a disappointment. I had it out in more sun but it just couldn't take our brutal summers so I moved it into a heavily shaded area but it's not thriving there either. Our alkaline soil probably doesn't help much either. So I'm looking for other varieties to experiment with.

They say white sapote grows just like citrus but citrus does fantastic out here even with our heat and soil(minus satsuma mandarin). I've seen big trees out in Phoenix so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong out here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 10:15:35 PM »
Very cool!  From what I understand, mango grafts need 70 degree plus weather at night to make it.  Do keep us updated and take some pics if they work out!

Wow. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe that's why I haven't had a lot of success in the past. Today was overcast and with a high of 80 and a low of 59 but the next few days warm up. Wed 94/64, Thu 101/67, Fri 103/70

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 05:07:01 PM »
Good luck!  What type of graft will you try?  And where on the tree are you trying (any pics)?  I ask because I'm new to grafting and hoping to graft one of my trees very soon.

Thanks. I did 3 veneer grafts and 4 cleft grafts. It's the first veneer grafts I have tried on Mangos. I tried a bunch of different grafts on guavas last spring and they all failed except for one veneer graft. That encouraged me try more of this technique. Unfortunately that tree was in the coldest part of the ranch and the grafted portion died when it got to around 30 degrees in January.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 02:40:55 PM »
Thanks for the advice. Sounds like I'll give em a go

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 01:13:10 PM »
I don't have much experience grafting, nor have I had much luck doing it. I have some success in smaller mangos in containers, than in ground trees. But I have 3 small trees that were frozen down to the root stock 2 years ago that have come up nicely since this past winter was very mild, and I would like to graft these with desirable cultivar.

I just received 7 scions in the mail from a well known supplier in Florida. All 3 of one variety, ZINC, look really black. The other 4 are only black at the tips and look good. They all came wrapped in a moist paper towel and were not in parafilm or buddy tape. In your opinion are these worth making an attempt at grafting?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How close can you plant a mango to a house?
« on: September 04, 2020, 09:49:38 PM »
I have a couple of Home Depot Manilla seedlings I've planted 2 feet away from a brick wall. Reason bring we have cold spells here and it protects them in the winter especially since the neighbors pool is close to that wall. They grew to about 10 feet quickly and have remained that height years later. They've been there almost 10 years. I don't think putting them within 3 feet is very risky in San Francisco, it might actually help hugging your house when the cold comes as long as they get sun.

In your climate, I doubt any variety of mango is going to develop into a monster that threatens the foundation of your home. Now white sapote, that's a different story

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana Wars
« on: August 07, 2019, 10:34:08 AM »
https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/restaurants/six-ways-to-cook-iguana-6392248

I dont think its possible when even most of the wildest american rednecks dont eat the boar after they shoot him because it not a castrated pig and about the bones

What? You don't know what you are talking about. What's so special about hog bones anyway lol?
Im saying that even the wildest american redneck shots the wild pig and if its a male they throw it to garbage because a wild pork its not castrated and the meat has a specific smell to it.The bones reference was about carps ( a fish) that they dont eat it because are affraid to choke on theyr bones.


Well this is not true. Some slob hunters will leave pigs to rot but that is not a common practice and it's illegal. In the US you will lose your hunting license, pay a big fine, possibly even have your rifle and vehicle confiscated, if you do not take the meat with you for consumption. Jail time is also possible in some states. Even when killing hogs with a depredation permit, some states require you to utilize the meat, I know they do here. The big old adult boars don't taste as good as the young ones(the meat smells quite honestly)but they are still ok for pork chops and sausage plus the bacon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana Wars
« on: August 07, 2019, 06:40:29 AM »
https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/restaurants/six-ways-to-cook-iguana-6392248

I dont think its possible when even most of the wildest american rednecks dont eat the boar after they shoot him because it not a castrated pig and about the bones

What? You don't know what you are talking about. What's so special about hog bones anyway lol?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2019 soCal weather
« on: June 11, 2019, 01:30:20 PM »
112 yesterday, 114 today, 115 tomorrow. It's been at least 105 for the last 5-6 days and the trees are all taking it ok except for my young ice cream bean trees. I'll need to cover up the young ones not under canopy today. 115 degrees seems to be around the magic number they start to take some noticeable damage.

Edit: it's even hotter than expected




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Stolen container trees
« on: May 19, 2019, 03:52:47 PM »
He needs a hidden trail camera.

That's what I told him. He didn't seem too hot on the idea, and resigned to let happen what's going to happen. I used to be a hunting fool years ago when I had time and I have 2 old Bushnell trailcams that are just collecting dust. I'm going to see if he'll take them next week when I go over there. Even so it's doubtful, he'll take the time to figure out on how to use them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Stolen container trees
« on: May 19, 2019, 03:38:08 PM »
I was going to post this in the "Fruit Thieves" topic I saw a few days ago but I don't see it anymore. I must be losing it.

Got a call an hour ago from a friend I met a little over a year ago. He's an older Mexican gentleman who works part time for the school district in landscaping. He has a big backyard with 3 green/shade houses and hundreds of grafted and seedling mangoes. I give him budwood and he grafts and grows them for me. But he refuses to accept any money. I stopped asking because I think it annoys him. I give him any supplies, budwood, seedlings of other trees, and purchased plants that he'll accept which isn't very much. I gave him 18 scions 2 months ago purchased through a seller here of which 15 took.

Anyways, he calls me and says to take as much of the grafted trees as I want. I told him I just want a couple to give the rest away to his friends and the teachers he works with. He says to take more soon because he doesn't know if there'll be any next time I visit. I asked why. And he tells me over the 3 last weeks they have stolen over a 100 grafted mangoes, dozens at a time, probably coming over the neighbor's wall. He had around 150 Keitts since that's what everyone wants because it's grown commercially here, and now he's down to 22.

This guy doesn't even sell his trees, he just gives them away and grows them for the love of the art. Makes my blood boil that there's a selfless Johnny Appleseed type character out there doing good, and he's paid back with his kindness to the world by having the fruit of his efforts stolen by scumbags.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Thai eggplant id
« on: May 09, 2019, 02:46:14 PM »
☺️No, thank you, im not growing them currently. Just fascinated with them since most of us in the west use only one eggplant variety.

They grow these types commercially here in the Coachella Valley in addition to the Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Indian and of course the American eggplant.






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Count me in for 2 Dolores and 2 Jalisco Red. Willing to put down a deposit or pay in advance if necessary.

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I think I'd rather take our dry occasional 125 degree day and 110 degree August average than 90-95 degree high humidity days in the south. I remember visiting a family member in Shreveport during the summer years ago. Wow. I don't know how you guys do it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seaberry
« on: April 28, 2019, 02:22:45 PM »
Tried to grow these from seed because I thought they were interesting. They sprouted up readily enough but just failed to thrive after temps went over 105, then died. I had them in filtered shade next to a bunch of other seedlings, that aren't exactly known for their desert heat tolerance, which did fine. Not sure what I did wrong. Then again, I bought them off Ebay so who knows what seeds I really got.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Australian Finger Lime Culture
« on: April 25, 2019, 01:03:33 AM »
It seems after the bibliography that you can expect up to 60g for each fruit but 20-30g are more common values. Having more seeds would translate to bigger fruits probably

I would be thrilled to get into the 20-30g range. 20-25g is about the size of a kumquat which is much larger than the fruits I have seen so far on my little tree. The 12g Pvaldes mentioned is what I'm seeing on mine. If anyone is getting 60g finger limes, please post the cultivar. I'd love to get that variety.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Australian Finger Lime Culture
« on: April 24, 2019, 04:59:35 AM »
I planted some in full sun and they slowly croaked. Later i read that most are understory trees and appreciate some shade, especially in the tropics. I'm trying again in a more shaded locations and so far they seem a lot happier.

Weird. I bought one from Home Depot over 2 years ago, it's a purple with green flesh variety simply called "Dwarf Finger Lime" I believe. The first year I had it partially shaded because I was afraid of what our sun would do to it. I even planted a castor bean plant to the west of it to provide protection. However it looked like it took our heat fine so this last summer I removed the shade and cut down the castor bean so it received sun all day long. It did fine other than a few leaves on top yellowing at the edges a little. We are also one of the hottest places in the nation outside of death valley. We had 5 days of 120 degrees or more and an average August temp of 110 degrees. It took our winter just fine as well that destroyed a lot of my subtropicals. Tough little tree.

It also fruited last year, and is fruiting this year despite yesterday being 100 degrees, today 103, and tomorrow 104. The tree is still no more than 5 feet tall but the leaves are bright green and beautiful. Looks in the best shape I have ever seen it. That said, the fruits are very small which is disappointing, like a little over half my pinkie and smaller in diameter. I'll see what the fruit looks like this year, if they are small again, I'll probably try and put a full size, grafted variety right up against it. I didn't see a graft line. Since it was from HD, I'm guessing it's a seedling.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulch problem - need your help
« on: April 17, 2019, 05:40:03 PM »
Just out of curiosity. What was your reaction to the neighbor's complaints when they approached you before they went to the city? Did you tell them to go fly a kite? Or did they just go directly to the city to complain?

It's going to look pretty cool once the trees are big, like mini forest in the neighborhood but it does look kind of junky atm with all the mulch you can see in between them.



Alternately, OP could consider fencing in the property?



Very good point

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulch problem - need your help
« on: April 17, 2019, 05:25:52 PM »


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: To Mulch or Not to Mulch (Fruit Trees)
« on: April 14, 2019, 12:10:47 PM »
My neighbor just told me that landscapers had heavily mulched her avocado tree (week or 2 ago?), and it quickly died. It was a large tree. The stump is at least 2 feet in diameter. Will try to get more info.

I have heard the same thing happen to others. Begs the question if there were herbicides or other harmful chemicals in the "mulch".

I only get hardwood mulch from the tree companies. If it's landscapers, the mulch probably has lots of grass and weeds in it, and much more likely to have chemicals in it, in addition to tons of weed seeds.

Is there something specific you like about hard wood vs softwood?  My tree trimmer guy will being whatever I ask for.  Ive been getting pine lately.

I dont know why I said hardwood. I meant like hard wood chip mulch from trees. Not soft grass clippings, weeds, palm or brush landscaping mulch.


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