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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What to plant north of my house?
« on: October 06, 2022, 09:10:32 PM »
Tumeric, taro, malaga, belembe & pineapple. Persimmon will probably fruit very little in shade.

What about Jaboticaba? I knew a guy in Indiana who had one for years. A few more that meet the hardiness requirement but might require pruning are Loquat, Pomegranate, Fig, and some of the high quality mulberries.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus leaves looking weird. What is it?
« on: October 02, 2022, 10:18:22 PM »
Picture 3 looks a lot like citrus leaf miner.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Denzel white sapote pollination?
« on: October 01, 2022, 06:57:53 AM »
I have never grown that variety of White Sapote, but I can tell you that they fruit better with another variety for pollination.

Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Tree collards in subtropics
« on: September 29, 2022, 03:06:55 PM »
Actually, even regular collards will grow through the summer if you give them shade. I have seen them in a lot of older people's yards. Some were grown in full shade and some with morning sun. Bugs are the bigger issue for me. Growing collards as an annual helps reduce the pest pressure in my opinion. Actually, all collards will grow as a perennial of sorts in Florida. They are bienials that need a cold period to go dormant (vernalization) before they bloom and we don't typically get cold enough for that in my part of the state.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaning papaya
« on: September 28, 2022, 05:00:01 PM »
The papaya looks ok to me. At the moment all the trees in my yard a leaning...Thank you Mr. Ian. Lol!

There are Avocado relatives in the broader Lauracea family in colder areas, most of these are still evergreens. Sassafras is said to be one that is deciduous.
In the Avocado genus Persea,  "none of the species are very tolerant of severe winter cold, with the hardiest, P. borbonia, P. ichangensis and P. lingue,
surviving temperatures down to about −12 C (10.4 F) "

P. borbonia is not graft or cross compatible with avocad based on the research I have studied. Are the others?

To put it another way, mass selection allows you to select for the genetics that you want. It is not a means of creating new genetics. You have to work within the genetics of the species that you are dealing with.

Wild populations of a give species have the greatest genetic diversity and provide a good idea of the genetic limitations of a species. Nature has already planted millions of avocados at the northern end of their range in Mexico. If the genetics were there for a deciduous tree that could grow in Nebraska (for example) we would most likely find such a tree (even if very rare) in the wild.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hurricane Ian Prep
« on: September 26, 2022, 09:11:05 PM »
Here are my recommendations.

1). Use common sense to observe your yard and house. If you wouldn't drive down the highway at 60, 80, 100 mph with the thing in the bed of your truck, strap it down or put it away. One thing people often forget about is that outdoor fans should be taken down.

2). Although I have never bothered with it myself, some very knowledgeable people recommend reducing tree canopies by about 1/3. That is usually enough to keep them from blowing over. Also remove any limbs that could touch your roof and any fruits that are close to ripe or that could become projectiles.

3). Remember that some damage is preventable and some is not. Pool cages and screen porches are among the most commonly damaged parts of the house that might have been prevented. Slashing or removing the screen is often enough to save the structure and replacing the screen is a lot cheaper than replacing the metal frame.

4). Taping your windows does basically nothing other than waste your time and tape. If you only have boards for a few windows, put them on the windows facing the prevailing winds ( can show a prediction of what direction that will be).

5). Be careful after the storm. More people die each year from running generators in a closed garage or from falling off a roof than from the storm.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID this plant, a tropical edible tuber?
« on: September 25, 2022, 07:39:07 PM »
Elephant foot yam?

If it helps any, there are at least 2 Ilamas in Sebring. They would have gone through 28 at a minimum this last winter (one is bearing fruit this year). I would say they are approximately equal in hardiness to mango and maybe slightly harder. They appear to be more resilient/long lived than sugarapple.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya in FL anecdote
« on: September 24, 2022, 11:54:39 PM »
Joe, that is awesome! I think we could fruit Cherimoya here with the right cultural care. I think they need to be forced to flower now (end of September) so that fruits will develop over the cool winter period. It would need to be done in a part of the state where freezing temps over the winter were not likely because otherwise the tree might defoliate.  I may be just a bit too cold here where I am at. It couldn't hurt to hive it a try.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Questions
« on: September 23, 2022, 10:40:52 PM »
I have 4 grafted white sapotes that are dwarfed and at 15 years old or more, no larger than 8 ft, one is only 5 ft.  All produce normal sized fruit.  I have posted this before:  Using casimiroa tetrameria (yellow sapote) for rootstock, the white sapote (casimiroa edulis) is dwarfed and remains so.  Each is planted in the ground, but would be perfect size for a 15 gallon container.  I also have a collection of white sapote trees that tend to be very large.  I don't think one in a container would be happy due to their size. My Suebelle white sapote is about 10 ft tall, and has fuzz on the bottom of its leaves potentially indicating hybridization with a yellow sapote.  All of the yellow sapotes have the fuzz, and are sometimes called fuzzy leafed sapote. My yellow sapote on its own roots is about 15 ft tall, my Vernon white sapote is a giant 30 ft or more and equally as broad.  For yards with limited space, dwarfing might be a solution to be able to enjoy this excellent fruit.
So I live in 9b and my white sapote takes little damage in the winter. If I use yellow sapote rootstock (canistel), which has less cold tolerance is that going to be an issue? I like this idea, but not sure if it is suitable for 9B.

I think they were talking about
casimiroa tetrameria (yellow/wooly sapote). It should be similar in cold tollerence to white sapote (casimiroa edulis). Common names make things confusing.

Enjoyed reading about your adventures. I always thought that sea grapes tasted like BBQ sauce without the smoke flavor--salty and a little sweet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too late to plant a mango tree?
« on: September 21, 2022, 10:56:13 PM »
I agree, we rarely plant out anything in less than a 7gal. It is so easy to pick up a 3 gal or 7 gal pot and put it in the garage for the night.

I have seen that happen here whem we get very dry weather after bloom and fruitset.

You are welcome Samu! I hope you start getting some fruit!

Lychee bloom is one of the most misunderstood elements of fruit growing. To bloom, lychee trees must experience cold temperatures when the buds are just starting to grow. If cold happens when the tree is not actively starting growth or if cold temps happen when the tree is well into a flush it will not bloom. If you live in a spot that does not consistently have temps below 50 when the tree should be blooming, getting fruit will be difficult. You can increase your chances by reducing nitrogen fertilizer and water in the late fall in an effort to keep the tree from flushing until the coldest part of the year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting Fruit Trees Near Queen Palm Tree
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:22:20 PM »
It does not seem to have hurt the other queen palms. What are you planning to put there? Anything with a strong root system would likely be bad for the wall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Help: Terminal New Growth Falling Off
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:18:10 PM »
Lycee does not like dry wind when they are flushing. Even here in Florida the trees can lose a flush under dry windy conditions.

I am no avocado expert, but another thought occured to me. I believe most store avocados are Guatemalan types like Hass. Don't they have a long ripening period? It would be a real shame to create a hardy tree that never produced fruit because it got frozen off before it could ne harvested each year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree - Worth it?
« on: September 17, 2022, 10:09:17 PM »
Macadamia is great in some ways because the nuts fall when ready and the trees can get large. However, we had a huge macadamia that blew over in a hurricane. I wonder if thatvwas a fluke, or if they are more wind susceptible.

It would probably be best to ask what other California growers are having success with and then taste those varieties to see what you like best. It is almost laughable how even among my friends and family the variety one ranks as excellent is the other's least favorite. What I can tell you is that for commercial purposes Sweet Heart brings the highest price. I would not say it has remarkable cold tollerence. Personally, I like Kiamana a little better.  I also like the taste of Brewster (which is known to be fairly hardy) but the seed is large.

You would likely have better luck starting seedlings of Mexican avocados that are known to be more hardy already. That will increase your likelihood of success.

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