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I have tried home made Banana wine, Mango Wine, Jaboticaba wine, others too on the same night, but the fruit varieties a bit hazy as the last bottles came out.
Don't forget Japanese Umeshu from green picked Ume plums.
Davidsonia plums can produce a dry red wine.
Gin is turning up in Australia based on Bush botanicals including wild Citrus.
Apples can be fermented for home brew Scrumpy Cider, so there might be some options there with other fruit.
There are a few types of Plum wine from Eastern Europe at my Liquor store.
Distilling hard Liquor would also be an option, might have interesting characteristics.

In Florida, even owning distillation equipment without a license and inspection is highly illegal. Even for personal use or fuel production. I guess that is what comes of a long history of bootlegers making rum from sugarcane. Actually, I have it in good authority that Al Capone used to get his liquor not far from where I live whenever he was in Florida. The place was called Dynamite House (for reasons obvious to the customers shortly after purchase).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID Persimmon Variety
« on: November 17, 2022, 10:31:20 PM »

Some fruits off an American Persimmon I found in the wild that were surprisingly large. 1.5" -- 2" I call it Blue Moon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar Cane In Cold Growing Zone
« on: November 17, 2022, 10:07:44 PM »
I'm in 9b and grow lots of sugarcane. I cover the stubble with trash and dirt and have never lost any to cold. Keep in mind that there is a range of cold tollerence in sugarcane. Pure officinarium species like Asian Black (aka Badilla from Papua) are much more cold sensitive than the Indian species. Hybrids are in between.

Leaf damage after a frost from left to right. Asian Black, Home Green (old type), Indian hybrid--exact id unknown (possibly POJ)?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID Persimmon Variety
« on: November 17, 2022, 09:58:48 PM »
These turned out to be the rootstock fruits, Diospyros virginiana. The fruits ripened and turned a nice orange color. I'm letting it sit on the counter until it gets a little soft and taste it.

Make sure it gets very soft. Some of the American types I have tried were still slightly astringent when they first softened to "ripe" by Asian standards.

What about Chinese Jujube? She would likely have been familiar with the Thai kind. Most people consider the Chinese type better.

Bananas make great, full flavor vinegar.
Put them in a bucket for 2 weeks, remove the fruit, then decant the liquid into bottles.  Leave the caps on the bottles loose.  With time the vinegar will clarify nicely.

Very interesting, I had not thought of bananas. Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's wrong with these bananas?
« on: November 16, 2022, 09:42:14 PM »
Thanks Amy.

Is there a problem with having two trees the same size next to each other, or should there only be one big tree and a couple of smaller ones?

Ideally you want 3 trees per mat. One ready to bloom, one about half grown, and one just starting. If you get too many stalks, they compete for light and nutrients and the bunches get small.

What about vinegar? Any of you brewers have a recommendation for going the next step in the process? I was thinking of using cane juice like they do in Asia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Split atemoya fruit while on tree.
« on: November 16, 2022, 09:30:35 PM »
My experience has been that it is better to leave it open to the air. The split part sort of heals over. In Florida humidity the wound rots if it gets sealed up.

Similar to the Asunta line, is anyone working on their range of hybrids or breeding line for special traits such as the sweetest fruit, fastest-growing, (I forgot the term but) a plant that flowers early or heavily, etc.
My first hybrid to start my breeding line is Monocanthus x Undatus

If you do breed df, what tips do you have? What genetics to get into my line next? what genetics to leave out? These were just some questions I thought of just now.

What genetics do you intend to incorporate from that species? I have often pondered if there could be viable hybrids with columnar cacti. That would eliminate the need for trellising.

According to the table on the first page of this discussion, paw paw has approximately 2,000 times the annonacin content of atemoya. Presuming this was indeed the causitive factor,  I would need to consume over 600,000 lbs of atemoya pulp in 10 years to get the same effect. Put another way, that is  167 pounds a day for 10 years. I think I'm safe.

This is great news, here I was thinking being an Annona Enthusiast was a death sentence

I was a bit worried myself until I looked at the numbers and did the math. I probably ate 30 lbs of atemoya this year, but according to the numbers people posted from the study there was less annonacin in that than in one bite of paw paw. I have no concerns at this point, but I have continued to read this thread to stay educated on any new developments in the research.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is better, Rambutan or Longan?
« on: November 16, 2022, 02:18:50 PM »
I'm not sure if this is a fair question. 
1- Most people cannot grow rambutan because of the climate.
2- Some have not tasted fresh rambutan from the tree like longan.
3-Some have not tasted the stone free variety.

I like Rambutan because it has some acidity, like lychee and firmer texture.  If you like lychee over longan, then you most likely like rambutan over longan if you have the right rambutan.  Just my opinion.

Thanks for this, it confirms what I had thought based on what my father-in-law had said about the rambutans in Thailand.

I don't think that ice would do much. However, people who live in dry climates could potentially take advantage of evaporative cooling to create chill with a misting system. If you study wet and dry bulb charts, you can see that when the relative humidity is low there are some significant differences between the two. When the relative humidity approaches 100% there is no difference between the two (because there is no evaporation).

For example, the current temperature in Los Angeles is 62 with a dew point of 33 (40% relative humidity). If I understand the math correctly, an ideally implemented misting system under those conditions could potentially lower the temperature almost 10 degrees! That would put things in the range that could potentially create chill hours for some things (assuming the tree was in a dormant state).

By comparison, Tampa is currently 72 with a dew point of 71 (94% relative humidity). An ideally designed misting system under these conditions could potentially lower the temperature by approximately 1/3 of a degree. Which of course would be a total waste of time.

I am sure one of the moderators can move this discussion. Dormex is highly toxic, by the way. I have read that many low chill cultivars will still produce acceptable yields with only half of their chill requirement--this does seem to hold true from what I have observed personally.

I have had some really good Hog Plum (Spondias purpurea). But you don't hear much about it. It had an awesome fruit punch type flavor. Cercropia was pretty good, too. Not mango good, but as good as mulberry which gets a lot more press on the forum. I also enjoy natal plum--fruits are hard to come by in Florida because of the sterile plants used for landscape, but the soft-ripe fruits remind me of cranberry/apple sauce.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is better, Rambutan or Longan?
« on: November 14, 2022, 09:51:02 PM »
Some longan have a flavor that is slightly earthy--like a radish with no bite. It think that is what Americans don't like. The good ones are more like lychee/sapodilla (or lychee/brown sugar).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is better, Rambutan or Longan?
« on: November 14, 2022, 03:24:08 PM »
Having eaten only home grown Logan and imported rambutan, I would say that Longan varies more in quality. The high quality longans (Sri Chompoo being my favorite) are better than the store bought rambutan, but the poor quality longans are
not even close to rambutan. The people who commented about how the flesh sticks to the rambutan seed are spot on.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Rangpur limes?
« on: November 14, 2022, 02:01:45 PM »
We like making the rangpur lime into juice. I dont really have any complaints and the seediness doesnt make a big difference for juicing.

Never noticed a spicy flavor though, and I am balking at the idea of juicing all those tiny calamansi...

Calamondins have sweet peels. I used to juice them by seeding and throwing in the blender peel and all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Colder than normal winter in Florida 22/23?
« on: November 12, 2022, 02:22:17 PM »
I think part of the problem is that la nina/el nino are generalized weather predictions. A winter that is cooler overall, but has no major frost events may actually be better for fruit growing than a "generally warm" year that has a couple dips below 32. Actually, some of the worst freezes south Florida has experienced have been in dry years. I remember reading an account of one year in particular (around 1920) in which lake Okechobee had dried up all the way to Torey Island. It stayed dry long enough that people planted crops (mostly beans) in the lake bottom. I can't remember the exact number, but they had something like 20 frosts and freezes that year. I would prepare for a frost/freeze this year and then be thankful if it didn't happen.

Orange, Sugarcane, Caladium, Grapefruit, Cabbage, Watermelon, Leafy greens, Potato, Tangerine, Tangelo, Blueberry, Peach, Lemon, and Lychee are the main commercial crops in my county in Florida (roughly by acreage). Have you thought about Poha? It used to be quite common in Hawaii and is generally well received. Its just a lot of work to harvest.

On the nut side, I think hickory and probably hecans (hickory x pecan hybrids) are very under rated. The taste of hickory is excellent, the knock is getting them to crack out cleanly However, that might be solved with further hybridization with pecan.

Could you just stick a wire in the hole and kill them without "extracting" them or digging into the bark?

We need some of both. Its great to be able to learn about a new fruit, but if you can never acquire that fruit the knowledge is useless for the most part.

Are these fruiting right now?  I will have to go check the trails and see.  I have tried some before and sorta meh, if I remember right acidic and astringent.  Always chance I got at poor level of ripeness tho, gotta try again.

Your taste description sounds fairly typical to me. This is a little late for when I remember eating them before.

Are there any other tropical crops that are unhealthy to eat a lot of?  What about yuca, I eat a lot of that both from my yard & the cassava flour tortillas & pastas?

Because the protein is essential to the detoxification of cassava, most of the issues I remember happen only in diets that are extremely low in protein (or that involve improperly cooked cassava). Here's a good article I found:

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