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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly!
« on: June 05, 2018, 02:17:49 AM »
So I have an update from California Tropical Fruit Tree Nursery in regards to Manila Mango root stock. The good thing is they have an abundance of different sizes from 15, 25 and maybe 50-80 gallon trees. The bad thing is the price they want. For the 15 gallon it was 140, 25 gallon 500 and for there huge size it was 850. If you have deep pockets and want a big time saver I guess it is not a bad option.

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So I stopped by California Tropical Fruit Tree Nursery this last Saturday (which is the only day of the week they are open to the public without an appointment). I had high hopes of buying some of the black surinam cherry cultivars I have been looking for like, Lolita and Champa. They had 15 gallon size for sale for 185 dollars  :o. Is this really the price that these plants are being sold for? Anyways I passed on purchasing one in hopes I can find a better deal some where else.

For those of you that have grown black surinam from seed do you find a big or noticeable difference with the taste from the named parents? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Canistel variety recommendation
« on: May 09, 2018, 05:10:44 PM »
Can anyone share their recommendation on the best tasting/producing canistel variety?

Hey I would give a call to Alex at Papaya tree nursery in LA. I was there late last year and had a conversation about Canistel and he swore he had a variety that was superior to a lot of California variety's.

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papaya tree nursery has lolita and grafted cherry of rio grande but there expensive




got comfrey online as root cuttings

for nitrogen fixing im using named varites of goumi ,autoum olive got online (one green world,rolling rivers nursery) also some acacias from evergreen nursery

Why are these berry bushes more expensive them some of the new Zill mangos I really don't get it? Thanks for the source with Papaya tree Nursery I have been there in the past and liked what I saw but I do remember the prices where steep.

honey locust and native alder also work great

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Good source for black surinam in So Cal
« on: May 09, 2018, 02:12:20 AM »
So one of my favorite pass times is to load up my family and take a day trip to a new nursery. This has lead me to many different locations in San Diego, Vista, Orange county, Riverside, and LA. In my travels there have been a few plants that I have had a hard time finding and I would love the help of this forum to locate what I'm looking for. I really want to find some of the different Black surinam cherry variety's (Black Star, Lolita, Zill) or any different Grumichama. As a fare warning I was able to find a 15 gallon Zill Black surinam at Exotica but they wanted 200 dollars for it and I'm not prepared to pay such a huge price for a berry bush. I am also trying to do my best to avoid shipping plants from florida directly because I have had trouble with plants adapting or just being of pour quality.

On a separate note I have had a tough time tracking down some good ground cover like perennial peanut, comfery, mimosa or any other hardy nitrogen fixer. What are some of you guys using and where are you getting it? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly!
« on: March 17, 2018, 07:33:25 PM »
Your life sounds quite similar to mine Greenbean- sorry for your losses. I have a co-worker that lives in Trabuco and she had a lot of damage as well. As far as your trunk rot goes, I would plant it and drench the soil monthly with Aliette WG or similar systemic fungicide. It can be used as a foliar spray as well. The only caveat is the high price. Good luck you you. Chris

Well Chris you have a pretty good life my friend! What are you growing in Old town, I work in Orange and it never seems to amaze me the abundance of fruit trees I see there. Thanks for your recommendation on the fungicide I think I will give it a few months of drying out before I try the fungicide.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly!
« on: March 17, 2018, 07:29:10 PM »
Can't view the pic. Do Atkin carry smaller manila mango but not HD small?

So I did not see many other smaller Manilas but I was not looking for them either. If you are looking for some 15 or 25 gallon Manilas I would go to California tropical fruit tree nursery in Vista. I was there two months ago and they had those sizes. I think they are only open to the public on Saturdays.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly!
« on: March 16, 2018, 08:58:53 PM »
Can't view the pic. Do Atkin carry smaller manila mango but not HD small?

Sorry about that, I updated my post with the correct link: https://imgur.com/a/8oy9i

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The Good, The Bad and the Ugly!
« on: March 16, 2018, 07:06:31 PM »
Well let's start off with the Bad. About three weeks ago, we had some of the coldest temperatures in my backyard that I have ever seen. For the better part of a week and a half we were in the 30s every night with the lowest night in the mid 20s  :-[. I lost a lot of new trees in my backyard including Coconut Cream, Placid, Ugly Betty and Orange Essence Mango's and four or five of my Manila Mango seedlings. All of my Banana's burned back to the ground after growing none stop through the winter and all of my young papayas dropped all of their leaves. At least whatever survived a huge cold spell like that will be stronger for it in the long run.

The Good: last weekend was my B-Day and I'm blessed with an incredible wife that I have been with for 13 years now. She will listen to me talk about whatever new Gary Zill Mango is coming out, grafting, rootstocks, different cultivars of whatever, and countless soil nuances. One of my favorite things to do with my wife and two kids is take them to different nurseries and arboretums from LA to San Diego. My wife knows how bummed I was with all of my mango losses and told me that my gift this year was going to be the large Manila mango that I found at Atkins Nursery in Fallbrook several months ago. If you have not read Simon's thread on Southern California mango growing, he talks about the importance of the Manila mango rootstock to have a longterm healthy tree in our area. The Manila mango rootstock is easy to find in our area at Home Depot or Lowe's, but most are barely a small twig with a few leaves on it. To find Manila rootstock in such a large size for sale is a rarity. Once my family got to Atkins Nursery, we were told they had two boxed Manila mango seedlings about 7-10 years old. I started looking at the two trees to decide which one would be the preferred one to buy. I quickly noticed one had a superior shape to the canopy, but had very severe trunk rot issues. The other Manila had a healthy trunk, but much less desirable canopy. After trying to decide between the two, my incredible wife said, "Why don't we get both?" She negotiated a price and we got a smoking deal on both trees. We came home with two 24" boxed Manilas and a few papayas.

The Ugly: As I mentioned, one of the Manilas has a trunk rot issue. I'll post photos to better show what it looks like. It seems like there was too much mulch against the trunk, which caused the rotting. Other than this issue, the tree looks very healthy. Has anyone dealt with this issue before and successfully healed the tree? Also, should I wait to graft onto this tree until it is healed? Any tips or suggestions are much appreciated.

(I had trouble uploading photos, so you can view them here: https://imgur.com/a/8oy9i)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichima and Pitomba flowering
« on: February 28, 2018, 12:51:53 AM »
I’m growing grumichama. First year so i have no clue but so far growing bushy like an untamed pomegranate.

Nice! I was able to try some at a nursery about two months ago and I really liked it. My daughter ate them so fast I was only able to eat one or two small fruit. What type do you have? Are you aware if there are superior cultivars? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichima and Pitomba flowering
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:58:06 PM »
I have a section of the yard that I'm planting different types of berries and small fruits and these sound really cool. Is anyone growing these in southern California? Are these large trees or more bushy shrubs? Are there any stand out cultivars that have superior taste?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Papaya sources?
« on: January 31, 2018, 11:47:32 AM »
Thanks for all the good suggestions I will have to due some research on germinating Papaya seeds and order some. I was at Alex's place a few weeks ago and the only Papaya plants he had for sale was that Dwarf Brazilian for $140 that is more than I wanted to spend on  a single plant. I have not been to ONG Nursery in a while I will give them a call soon.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / SoCal Papaya sources?
« on: January 29, 2018, 09:37:36 PM »
So I am in the middle of planting out a section of my yard with a lot of Banana's and Papaya's but I am having some trouble finding local sources that carry different types of Papaya. Currently I have Mexican and Solo. Does anyone have any for sale or trade, or know of any Nursery that carries some good types of Papaya.

Thank's
Erik

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote size control?
« on: January 13, 2018, 03:32:28 PM »
White sapotes can be grown as dwarfs. 


The photo shows a Pike white sapote over 20 years old.  There is a gallon pot next to it for size.  I have another that is the same age, but it is a Vernon.  It is in the ground and is not over 4 ft tall.  Both produce normal sized fruits and are prolific.  They are grafted on yellow sapote rootstock (Casimiroa tetrameria).  By grafting yellow sapote on white sapote rootstock the resulting tree is not as extremely dwarfed and measures 7 ft tall after more than 20 years in the ground.  I have several ones in the ground and they fruit normally and well.

wow I cant believe that those are twenty year old trees. If I was really starved for space I would seriously consider your method. I'm curious what the productivity leave is on your super dwarf's?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote size control?
« on: January 13, 2018, 01:47:02 PM »
Thanks for all the great responses. As long as I can keep the tree 15 to 20 feet tall and easy to climb I will be happy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote size control?
« on: January 11, 2018, 01:31:34 PM »
Hi Erik, i have the suebell 20 years old, i topped it 8 to 10 years ago to keep it about 9 feet tall, if you do it right after 1 or 2 years there is little to no extra pruning to keep it there .        Regards       Patrick

Thanks Patrick for your response. Do you have any pictures of the tree, I would love to see it? I like the Suebell but from researching on the forum I have heard of so many other good varieties that I want to try.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / White Sapote size control?
« on: January 11, 2018, 12:57:23 AM »
So this last summer I had my first taste of White Sapote and I was blown away. I will be planting a Mcdill in a large area in my backyard this spring and I want to try and control the height on the tree and keep it 15 to 20 feet max. Does anyone have a mature tree that they have successfully kept this size. If you have a stand out favorite I would love to hear the name of that cultivar.

Thanks,
Erik

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mona Lisa and Sweet heart Banana's?
« on: January 10, 2018, 03:43:35 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I was really looking for someone in SoCal that can comment on typical height, taste, texture or productivity of Mona Lisa and Sweet heart?

Dwarf Namwah is probably the easiest variety to grow in So Cal -- pretty bulletproof by banana standards.  Maximum fruiting height (measured to the top of the "trunk") is around 9', typically in the 7-8' range.  The fruit are extremely sweet and dense when left to ripen fully, with a hint of apple cider and not much at all like a grocery store Cavendish.  Very productive plant, a workhorse.

Mona Lisa makes delicious fruit.  Closer to Cavendish in flavor and texture, but much better, with a slight tartness.  This variety has been very touchy for me in So Cal -- a poor producer.  About the same height as D. Namwah (at least in my yard), but much less robust.  I love the fruit, but I can't recommend it as a productive variety.  Also, be aware that there have been some Mysore banana plants sold in CA as Mona Lisa, so you might not have the real thing.

I haven't grown Sweetheart, but have seen it grown in So Cal.  It is an incredibly robust plant, with a very thick pseudostem ("trunk").  It gets considerably taller than Dwarf Namwah, probably more typically 10-12'.  It makes big bunches of fruit.  I haven't tried them, but I know some people find them too sweet, others love them.

thanks a lot for your specific experience with these types of banana's. My hope is to make a small banana circle and possibly have a rack or two hanging by the end of the summer. I will try and get some pictures up of the project when I'm done.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pink/White Hawaiian Guava?
« on: January 08, 2018, 04:37:59 PM »
Really hopeing to learn something about these Hawaiian Guavas. Does anyone know if these are general names of Guava or are they specific cultivars?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mona Lisa and Sweet heart Banana's?
« on: January 08, 2018, 04:33:39 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I was really looking for someone in SoCal that can comment on typical height, taste, texture or productivity of Mona Lisa and Sweet heart?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mona Lisa and Sweet heart Banana's?
« on: January 07, 2018, 08:38:38 PM »
So if you read my Guava post you know I just took a trip to Exotica Nursery which is one of my favorite places to take my family and just walk around and see all the cool trees/fruits there. I ended up purchasing a few Banana's while I was there for my banana circle project that I am starting soon. I went off the recommendations of Leo and bought Mona Lisa, Sweet Heart and Dwarf Namwah. Does anyone have any first hand experience with Mona Lisa or Sweet Heart?

Thanks
Erik

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pink/White Hawaiian Guava?
« on: January 07, 2018, 08:31:16 PM »
So about 6 months ago I went to my favorite disorganized nursery in Vista San Diego, Exotica, and walked away with a beautiful "White Hawaiian Guava." In early Fall of this last year I was able to harvest one fruit from the tree. When I cut the Guava open I saw the most bright pink color I had ever seen from a "White Guava." I knew something was wrong with this picture but I'm not one to get all worked up about not getting the correct tree, especially because the taste of this guava was easily the best guava I had every had. This last week I went back to Exotica and asked Leo about the White Guava that he had sold me. He said, it must have been a "Pink Hawaiian Guava" and that I'm actually very lucky because he does not carry that rare cultivar any longer and is frequently asked if he does. Does anyone on the Forum know anything about these Pink or White Hawaiian Guava cultivars?
And I was been able to try the White cultivar this last week and it was a fist sized very good fruit, my 2 year old daughter took one bight and then asked Leo for the rest of it. 

Thanks
Erik 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Southern California Longan cultivars
« on: January 04, 2018, 09:48:08 PM »
Thanks for the heads up on some different varieties. I ended up purchasing a Kahala longan from Exotica.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Southern California Longan cultivars
« on: January 02, 2018, 03:29:47 PM »
I will be adding a Longan to my collection very soon and I have very little knowledge on the different varieties. Do those of you that have some experience see much difference in taste, productivity, disease issues?

Thanks for your comments

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lanzones or Langsat and Caimito or starapple?
« on: December 16, 2017, 12:09:21 AM »
So I am very happily married into a Filipino family that tells me tales of great fruit that they used to eat all the time in the Philippines. I want to test the waters of what can be grown in my zone and try and grow some of the tropical varieties that my wife's family grow up with. Has anyone in Southern California had any success growing the above varieties? I am willing to go to almost any length to get these trees established in the first couple years. Has anyone been successful? 

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