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Hi spaugh
Wow.... I had no idea this could be done.
Thanks for your comments!

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Hi,
Here were I live, in Panama, Central America, there isn't any significant production of cherimoyas.  In fact, the only commercial source - I know of - local to Panama told me that the season is finished.  There are however imported cherimoyas from Peru.  I was curious about their seasonality, so, I asked the people who import them from Peru.  And was VERY SURPRISED to hear that they are available year round.  They plan on bringing in a shipment every 15 days, year round!

How is this even possible?  How do they get the cherimoyas to flower year round?  Is this something that I could do with the few annonas I have?  This is definitely something I would love to learn how to do it....


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Very interesting.   Plants grafted onto cherimoya grow faster, and produce faster.  There is however a small difference in sugar content, however, I don't know if that is statistically significant.  At least to me it is quite interesting.

This is research done in Lebanon...

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Thanks for your comments.

I'll leave them then for now!  Hopefully they will take.

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I grafted a couple of dream atemoya scions onto cherimoya rootstock and a couple of sugarlata scions onto sugar apple rootstock.  This was about a month ago.  The scions still "look" and feel fine (they are wrapped in parafilm), but they have not grown.  The rootstocks on the other hand keep producing new growth, but every couple of days I remove anything that grows below the graft.

Should I leave this as is for another month?  Or should I try to re-graft these scions?  I am a bit clueless....  Is there a way to know if the scions are still alive?

I was SO happy with my grafts too....  :D

Thanks for your comments.

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Is this the variety that's supposed to fruit in Florida?
Don't really know.   The "Dream" variety I have read that does very well in Florida, but supposedly there is debate whether it is a cherimoya or an atemoya.  The "Cumbe" variety comes from Peru, where it is grown in a place called Cumbe (it figures).  Don't know how well these do elsewhere.

I was told by a friend first, and then by a nursery owner that there is a cherimoya variety here (in Panama, Central America) that does well in hot climates and she promised she would get me a small tree.  I am looking forward to see what comes out of this.

I have read such superlative adjectives about California grown cherimoyas that I thought I should ask here how these compare to the "Cumbe".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What do you guys think of Cumbe cherimoya?
« on: October 11, 2021, 01:47:32 PM »
Here in Panama we don't get much annonas commercially.   There is one grower - that I know - that sells sugar apples, and there are a couple of cherimoyas you can get.

One cherimoya variety we do get is "Cumbe" which comes from Peru.  It is good, but honestly I don't find it outstanding.  I prefer sugar apples.  There is a local cherimoya variety which tastes better to me, but the fruit quality is somewhat variable (probably due to agricultural practices).

How does Cumbe compare to other of the nice cherimoya varieties that you get for example in California?   


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my sugar apple leaves?
« on: October 05, 2021, 03:31:35 PM »
Apparently it has leaf miner trails.  Leaf miners are only active for a couple of weeks;  there is nothing to be done now.

I am attaching a picture of the underside of a leaf.   You can see the trails .....

Thanks Har!  Please do keep sharing your experience with us!



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my sugar apple leaves?
« on: October 02, 2021, 10:16:27 PM »
I got the same symptoms on my small trees, not just sugar apple. It was because I used too much surfactant when I sprayed fertilizer. Some trees can't stand too much surfactant.
If you didn't spray anything, then this could be something else.
No, I haven’t sprayed anything.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my sugar apple leaves?
« on: October 02, 2021, 10:15:27 PM »
Is that new growth or old leaves?

It is fairly new growth.   I notched the bark and this branch came out closer to the ground.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my sugar apple leaves?
« on: October 02, 2021, 01:38:36 PM »
Day length varies from about 11:30 hours in January to about 12:30 in July…. So it it is not much….

As a matter of fact, when I was growing up, I wasn’t even aware that the length of the day changed…  ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with my sugar apple leaves?
« on: October 02, 2021, 01:24:17 PM »
Not really Mike.  The day length varies just a little.

About an hour ago I asked the owner of a nursery here, which is pretty knowledgeable.   She says that it is just a problem of feeding.   She recommended that I should add urea and 12-24-12 (which is very readily available here).  1/2 teaspoon or each weekly.  She has over 25 years of experience…

I am guessing that weekly feeding has to do with the fact that we get a lot of rain, and since I have this in pot, nutrients get washed away…

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What is wrong with my sugar apple leaves?
« on: October 01, 2021, 10:41:56 PM »
 


Hi,,
What do you guys think is wrong with my sugar apple plant (Annona squamosa)?

I am guessing this is some sort of nuritional defficiency, but I don’t know what it could be…

The tree is in a 10 gallon pot.

Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Traveling to Los Angeles
« on: September 13, 2021, 05:22:29 PM »
I meant fruits.   Thanks for the recommendation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Traveling to Los Angeles
« on: September 13, 2021, 11:51:40 AM »
Due to unforseen circumstances I will be traveling to Los Angeles this week. 

Do you guys know where I can purchase some nice Atemoyas and/or cherimoyas?  I will only be until Sunday but maybe I can try something nice.  I have read very good things about California annonas.

Thanks! 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question about australian atemoyas....
« on: September 08, 2021, 05:33:03 PM »
Those two types are in the US. They are in Florida as well.
They have not fruited in Florida as far as I know yet. It will be interesting
to see how they perform in CA and Florida and if they do as well as
Australia.
Thanks for the info Mike! 

It is then just a matter of time before they are more available....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question about australian atemoyas....
« on: September 08, 2021, 04:33:33 PM »
Mate good luck getting them overseas….. I live in Australia and can’t even get any of them here. Hey

That's exactly what intrigues me.... why are they so hard to get?

There is mystery here!  :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the "Giant Sugar Apple"?
« on: September 08, 2021, 02:44:37 PM »
Thanks for the information.  It does look like a regular sugar apple fruit, except that it is larger than usual.  Maybe as Mike says, the fruit was thinned to obtain larger fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Question about australian atemoyas....
« on: September 08, 2021, 01:05:41 PM »
I have read here and elsewhere how good atemoya varieties from Australia are.  Especifically I have read about "Paxton prolific" (KJ Pinks) and "Hillary White".  Don't know if they have newer/better ones. 

What I was wondering is, why they aren't available in the United States (at least I haven't seem them)?

Are these varieties patented in some way?  Is it illegal to grow them outside of Australia?  What is the story on these?

Thanks for any juicy information to satisfy my curiosity  ;)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What is the "Giant Sugar Apple"?
« on: September 08, 2021, 12:18:49 PM »
Hi,
Han Sen is selling various nice seeds.  One of them caught my eye.  Something called "Giant Sugar Apple".   What is this?  Is this a hybrid of A. squamosa X reticulata?  Or is this a different species altogether?   I searched "Annona mucosa" but that points to Rollinia, which is a very different looking fruit.

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hybrid vigor and Annona hybrids
« on: September 07, 2021, 04:26:31 PM »
I recall the Australians were doing some systematic work on this.
I saw several google results this is dated but tells some of the story:

https://www.horticulture.com.au/globalassets/laserfiche/assets/project-reports/cu11000/cu11000-final-report-complete-2.pdf

Thanks a lot!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 07, 2021, 03:22:15 PM »
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

Interesting!  They are like sugarlatas!

Awesome!

No, saramuyos are hybrids SA x CA and yes they are endemic to the Yucatán.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Hybrid vigor and Annona hybrids
« on: September 07, 2021, 02:59:40 PM »
I studied Food Science in college, but in my office I had a good friend who was doing a PhD in agronomy.  He knew a lot about plant genetics, and he was the first person how explained to me about "hybrid vigor".   This was in Texas A&M.  We were working mostly on cereals, particularly sorghum.   The basic concept is that you have two varieties, each one with specific qualities.  If you interbreed these varieties, you obtain a hybrid, which has BETTER properties than each of the original varieties.  Hence the term hybrid "vigor".    A "problem" with hybrids however is that you typically can't propagate them properly by seeds, because the resulting plants are not true to the parent hybrid, but rather you get a lot of variability.

Inter-species hybrids are even more interesting - at least to me -, and the things that have been done with Annonas I find fascinating.  Atemoyas (A. squamosa x A. cherimola), Cherilatas (A. cherimola X A. reticulata [custard apple]), Sugarlatas (A. squamosa X A. reticulata), and other things people are doing I find fascinating.

I was wondering if anyone here is working breeding annona hybrids?   I have a ton of questions....  :) 
For example, when breeding atemoyas, does it make a difference if the female flower is a Sugar Apple or the Cherimoya?  Another question, I have seen that people take an Atemoya female flower and fertilize it again with Sugar Apple pollen... What happens when you do this?  Is the hybrid vigor mantained? 

I have been searching for more information on this subject, but can't find much....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 07, 2021, 02:37:18 PM »
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 2021 SEEDS
« on: September 04, 2021, 07:40:26 AM »
Received my seeds and scions promptly and well packaged!  Thanks for the extra scions!  And thanks for the advices!
Excellent seller!

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