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Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« on: September 07, 2021, 01:06:56 PM »
Yucatán saramuyos and sugar apples. In October I will have wood and seeds for sale. These are “ the most delicious fruits known to man” quoting mark Twain after he tasted a cherimoya, unfortunately he never tasted a saramoyo….







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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2021, 01:43:00 PM »
How about some fruit!?

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2021, 02:08:23 PM »
How about some fruit!?

In 2 years when they start producing in SoCal. I’m in Yucatán now.

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2021, 02:25:29 PM »
How about some fruit!?

In 2 years when they start producing in SoCal. I’m in Yucatán now.

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2021, 02:37:18 PM »
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2021, 03:08:26 PM »
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

No, saramuyos are hybrids SA x CA and yes they are endemic to the Yucatán.

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2021, 03:22:15 PM »
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

Interesting!  They are like sugarlatas!

Awesome!

No, saramuyos are hybrids SA x CA and yes they are endemic to the Yucatán.

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2021, 04:10:25 PM »
Saramuyos are sugar apples, right?

These are varieties you brought from Yucatán?

According to a video I saw on youtube, famous annona expert Har explained that Sugar Apples are indeed originally from the East Coast of Mexico.

Regards!

No, saramuyos are hybrids SA x CA and yes they are endemic to the Yucatán.

But Har also said this:

Saramuyos are the same as Anon, Sugar-apple, Sweetsop, and many other common names. 

Central-Eastern Mexico and South-Eastern Mexico have a wide variability of Annona squamosa, and are thought to be the native area of origin of the species.  Because the seeds stay viable for months, or even more than one year, this species was among the first few that the early European explorers succeeded in spreading far and wide -- including to Brazil and India, where many now contend that sugar-apple is native.

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 08:16:32 PM »
Har has said a lot of things about Saramuyos but I happen to live in Yucatán and they are hybrids and 10x better than any sugar apple I’ve tasted.



Here are 1.75lb beauties as good as any top top we cherimoyas

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 09:25:29 PM »
Har has said a lot of things about Saramuyos but I happen to live in Yucatán and they are hybrids and 10x better than any sugar apple I’ve tasted.



Here are 1.75lb beauties as good as any top top we cherimoyas
Can we tell they are hybrids by DNA, leaf shape, stability of form or precociousness of their seedlings?
I'd like to know more has anyone done systematic research to empirically/factually find out?

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 10:08:55 PM »
JF
Do you have any experience growing the plants from seed?
Will they grow true from seed?

thanks

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2021, 08:05:26 AM »
I had this conversation in a thread with Har a few years ago and we believe they are not true to seed. Since, I’ve fruited grafted and seedling Giant Yucatán in La Habra CA and I couldn’t tell the differences. I have 6-7 varieties ,1.5 year old seedling saramuyos, growing right now in CA and they’ve bloom this year….trees are too small to hold, maybe next year. Another added bonus is they are as cold hardy as cherimoyas and atemoyas in La Habra where sugar apples struggle.  Do a search in the forum on saramuyos and you’ll see the leaves totally different of any sugar apple. Saramuyos are supremely delicious as good as Aussies atemoyas and California cherimoyas. You can also see the leaves on my Instagram.

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2021, 10:14:18 AM »
Mark Twain also never went to SE Asia to try durian , cempedak, marang , mangosteen etc. his views on fruit were rather limited.

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2021, 06:12:29 PM »
I had this conversation in a thread with Har a few years ago and we believe they are not true to seed. Since, I’ve fruited grafted and seedling Giant Yucatán in La Habra CA and I couldn’t tell the differences. I have 6-7 varieties ,1.5 year old seedling saramuyos, growing right now in CA and they’ve bloom this year….trees are too small to hold, maybe next year. Another added bonus is they are as cold hardy as cherimoyas and atemoyas in La Habra where sugar apples struggle.  Do a search in the forum on saramuyos and you’ll see the leaves totally different of any sugar apple. Saramuyos are supremely delicious as good as Aussies atemoyas and California cherimoyas. You can also see the leaves on my Instagram.

Do saramuyos need to be hand pollinated?

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2021, 08:42:56 PM »
I had this conversation in a thread with Har a few years ago and we believe they are not true to seed. Since, I’ve fruited grafted and seedling Giant Yucatán in La Habra CA and I couldn’t tell the differences. I have 6-7 varieties ,1.5 year old seedling saramuyos, growing right now in CA and they’ve bloom this year….trees are too small to hold, maybe next year. Another added bonus is they are as cold hardy as cherimoyas and atemoyas in La Habra where sugar apples struggle.  Do a search in the forum on saramuyos and you’ll see the leaves totally different of any sugar apple. Saramuyos are supremely delicious as good as Aussies atemoyas and California cherimoyas. You can also see the leaves on my Instagram.

Do saramuyos need to be hand pollinated?
Saw this post, think it answers your question
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25267.msg334947#msg334947

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2021, 09:08:53 PM »
What are these graft compatible with.  I looked at previous posts and saw Cherimoya.  Are they compatible with anything else?  Perhaps Glabra? or Cherilata?



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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2021, 10:05:40 AM »
I hand pollinate all my annonas, can they set fruits on their own? Yes but to increase yield you want to HP. Saramuyos are compatible to all those annonas you mention,

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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2021, 12:25:15 PM »
I have a few seedlings that came from JF that were straight from Yucatan. One of them have a different set of leaves which is the photo below!

Thanks JF for your efforts on introducing these new varities that are limited here.




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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2021, 01:19:05 PM »
I have a few seedlings that came from JF that were straight from Yucatan. One of them have a different set of leaves which is the photo below!

Thanks JF for your efforts on introducing these new varities that are limited here.




Thanks Gozp, how are yr other hybrids fruiting in PI? Any pix?

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2021, 10:06:56 AM »
Yucatán Titán Rojo….this make the big red that I grow look like a newborn in diapers


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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2021, 12:28:24 PM »
Rambutan season in Yucatán


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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2021, 12:34:19 PM »
I hand pollinate all my annonas, can they set fruits on their own? Yes but to increase yield you want to HP. Saramuyos are compatible to all those annonas you mention,
Oh, this is cool, I'm going to search this forum for more info.  Relatives of mine have a couple unknown cherimoya trees in their yard but fruit production is very low, they are very tall trees and we can't hand pollinate sadly.  We're also in OC. 

I have a couple 2 year old seedlings that I am growing from seeds of one of the trees, maybe I can try to graft a saramuyo onto one!  The one actually has a small brank, maybe I can leave one branch as cherimoya, and other as saramuyo?  Is this possible?  I've seen that other fruit trees can do this, like citrus and loquats.

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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2021, 10:45:40 AM »
Alright, I'm confused I thought Sugar Apple X Cherimoya was an Atemoya?  Is this the same thing?  But a different name?

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Re: Saramuyos; cherimoya killer
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2021, 12:16:50 PM »
Hi Bill
You are correct SA x Cherimoya = atemoya
Saramuyo = SA x CA plus CA x SA it’s called anona in Yucatán both hybrids

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2021, 01:53:20 PM »
OK, so this is an Atemoya crossed with another Atemoya?  Which makes is a Saramuyo?

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