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albert84

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« on: September 06, 2021, 03:51:35 PM »
hello,

a member a the forum show me this picture on an other topic (you can click on the picture to enlarge it). I would like to ask you several things :



what is the goal when you prune cherimoya ? more flowering ?

you prune cherimoya in which season and how do you prune cherimoya ?

on this picture, do you think it's the variety el bumpo ?

thank you very much.
 



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Re: prune cherimoya
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2021, 01:11:54 AM »
There are no requirements to prune cherimoya.
They produce many flowers without pruning.
Pruning throw away woods so less flowers.
Trees around my neighborhood get to 6 meter tall.

Coldest month here is February.
I prune in mid March to keep my trees short.
I dont like to drag around a ladder to hand pollinate.
I mark a stick at 46 then cut all branches to the mark.
Next year I cut 1 taller to keep new woods for new shoots.

Good info here http://era.daf.qld.gov.au/id/eprint/1653/



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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2021, 09:55:53 AM »
thank you for your answer.

for the cherimoya which get to 6 meters tall, can you tell me the maximum width : 6 meters ? 7 meters ?

I ask you that because I plan to grow cherimoya and I prefer a good space so that the trees can have their natural size. in France it's not a common tree so I have no idea about the width of an adult cherimoya.

I visit the link but it's mainly about australian atemoya, but it's very interesting.

for the picture in my first message, do you think it's el bumpo variety ?

best regards.

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 01:33:24 AM »
If you are trying to estimate how much space you need for when the tree grows to full size without much trimming then I would say 10 meters (30ft) wide x 7 meters (21 ft) tall. I had an old tree (20yrs) that was keep to 20ft wide x 18 ft tall. If I let it grow without triming it, it would have easily been 30ft wide x 25ft tall. The trunk diameter at ground was 3ft.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2021, 01:52:35 AM »
Sc4001992 why are some members pruning the plant in again July after fruit set?
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 02:06:00 AM »
I'm not sure why it would be pruned after fruit set. If you wanted to get the fruits larger then you can reduce the amount of fruits (prune) on the branches. I don't maintain my larger trees much so I don't do anything except cut back tall branches and dig up the tree when it gets out of hand. I did help my neighbor with his fuyu persimmon tree last month by thinning his branches since he had too many fruits and it looked like branches will break from the weight of fruits. I ended up cutting the weeping branches and got rid of about 500 fruits (see the photo).

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 02:18:37 AM »
I'm not sure why it would be pruned after fruit set. If you wanted to get the fruits larger then you can reduce the amount of fruits (prune) the branches. I don't maintain my larger trees much so I don't do anything except cut back tall branches and dig up the tree when it gets out of hand.

Too many fruit trees and the Cherimoya tree grows very fast and large if it's in ground. I just don't have time to cut/dig up the big ones in my large now. when I'm not on the crutches, I plan to dig up/get rid of most of my large trees (cherimoya, loquats, mulberry, persimmon & citrus) and keep only a few of each multi-grafted trees since the front and back yard is full of trees. Also plan to eventually cut down my 18ft lychee (30+yrs old) when I finish my multi-grafted Lychee/Longan trees.

Thank you.  Love to see pictures of your fruit tres from your front as well as back yard.  Can you pm me some pictures. 

Anyway, reason I mentioned about pruning branches on cherimoya in July because I see some members selling scions so I assume that the plants need pruning.

Oh you cut lots of persimmon fruits.  Reason...?
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 02:32:00 AM »
Sc4001992 thanks for giving me advice to graft  hachiya onto fuyu a couple of months ago. The grafts took but the buds are still not leafing out. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 12:06:19 AM »
Good to hear your persimmon graft looks green and doing well. I noticed that some grafts of persimmon takes a while for it to start growing out leaves. My grafts last year took about 4 months then it really started to grow quickly. Now the grafted branches have many smaller branches and graft union is completely healed.

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2021, 06:55:12 AM »
thank you for your answers.

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2021, 06:58:25 AM »
If you are trying to estimate how much space you need for when the tree grows to full size without much trimming then I would say 10 meters (30ft) wide x 7 meters (21 ft) tall. I had an old tree (20yrs) that was keep to 20ft wide x 18 ft tall. If I let it grow without triming it, it would have easily been 30ft wide x 25ft tall. The trunk diameter at ground was 3ft.

thank you for your answer. I will space them from 7 to 8 meters. I read that some cultivars (for example dr. white) are much bigger than other. is it true ?

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Re: prune cherimoya
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2021, 10:51:52 AM »
There are no requirements to prune cherimoya.
They produce many flowers without pruning.
Pruning throw away woods so less flowers.
Trees around my neighborhood get to 6 meter tall.

Coldest month here is February.
I prune in mid March to keep my trees short.
I dont like to drag around a ladder to hand pollinate.
I mark a stick at 46 then cut all branches to the mark.
Next year I cut 1 taller to keep new woods for new shoots.

Good info here http://era.daf.qld.gov.au/id/eprint/1653/

can you post some photos of your tree? how wide you let it get?

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2021, 10:54:53 AM »
And to Answer, Potentially but prob not, Your question of why some people cut there tree way back, at least were I live, Is to get fruit for february. People really want fruit set for tet in my paret of the world both to show off and to sell for ceremonies and to adorn shrines.
If you go on facebook pages in vietnam for Na or Na thai or Na sau rieng every one is cutting there trees like you photo for the last few weeks trying to get them ready for tet.
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Re: prune cherimoya
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2021, 01:56:46 PM »
I'm not sure why it would be pruned after fruit set. If you wanted to get the fruits larger then you can reduce the amount of fruits (prune) on the branches. I don't maintain my larger trees much so I don't do anything except cut back tall branches and dig up the tree when it gets out of hand. I did help my neighbor with his fuyu persimmon tree last month by thinning his branches since he had too many fruits and it looked like branches will break from the weight of fruits. I ended up cutting the weeping branches and got rid of about 500 fruits (see the photo).



OMG, that is called unequal distribution of wealth! I've tried planting, and killed, 5 persimmon trees so far. They all thrived for about a year, then mysteriously became stunted, withered, and died.

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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2021, 12:37:19 AM »
can you post some photos of your tree? how wide you let it get?



Cherimoya rootstock
African Pride above
Cherimoya above AP
5 cherimoya varieties on this tree

Red pavers are 12
Tree is around 4 pavers width and length
Using twisted pair wires to pull up branches to have room to walk
Tip at 80

You can grow a few big trees or many small trees.
In the same space many small trees produce more than a few big trees.
Its worst for cherimoya.
Neighbors cant pollinate their tall tree so only get a few fruits.
Such a waste of resources.


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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2021, 10:38:02 AM »
can you post some photos of your tree? how wide you let it get?



Cherimoya rootstock
African Pride above
Cherimoya above AP
5 cherimoya varieties on this tree

Red pavers are 12
Tree is around 4 pavers width and length
Using twisted pair wires to pull up branches to have room to walk
Tip at 80

You can grow a few big trees or many small trees.
In the same space many small trees produce more than a few big trees.
Its worst for cherimoya.
Neighbors cant pollinate their tall tree so only get a few fruits.
Such a waste of resources.


That is a nice looking tree. gives me some ideas. Thanks for posting

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2021, 12:34:09 PM »
yup, if you let it grow and not trim the top branches it does get crazy. One of my cherimoya in ground near my boarder wall grows over 18 ft every year and I need to cut back to 10 ft. Hardly get any fruits since I don't hand pollinate but it does make a good shade tree for my other plants. Planning to air layer the many branches so I can dig it up and get rid of the tree.

 

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