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I don't see any new buds left on the small scion you have so it will die, get a refund now. Take pictures and file a complaint with the supplier.

Iceman, make sure to cut off all the flowers soon or the cutting may not do well.

Looks like a large kaffir lime. If you look at the leaves and if it has 2 large even size lobes as leaf then that is what it is.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sumo Citrus
« on: January 12, 2022, 08:37:09 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-grafted Citrus Show Off
« on: January 12, 2022, 05:53:32 PM »

You may get flowers/fruits in 1 year after your graft takes, but just remove all the fruits so the graft can grow more. In 2 years you can let it have a few fruits and the fruit should be normal size. I like to leave just one fruit on the 1 year old graft until I can see that the fruit is the correct one for the variety then I cut it off so energy goes to the grafted branch.

I did let some 1 year old grafts hold 1-2 fruits on some grafts before and the next year that branch did not grow much at all. Lesson learned, don't let it hold fruit until 2 years has passed. I only do this on some rare varieties so I can confirm its the real deal. On my sumo graft, after 2 years it had 14 full size fruits and it did not effect the growth of the branches.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-grafted Citrus Show Off
« on: January 12, 2022, 04:48:06 PM »
Kevin, I have multi-grafted all my in-ground citrus trees. It's not that hard to keep different varieties managed on them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Multi-grafted Citrus Show Off
« on: January 12, 2022, 03:26:30 PM »
elouicious, congrats, your grafted tree looks great!  Probably good your rootstock took over, it is better to graft new varieties on.

Kevin, yours looks like the grafts are older, nice shaped tree, and good job on the graft placements. I have an older grapefruit tree that is multi-grafted with many varieties and it gets many fruits every year and it's only one tree so it saves some space in the yard. Unfortunately I'm a fruit addict and still have too many other fruit trees that it's hard to walk about in the backyard. I will take a photo and post later.

Jack and Seanny, what you say makes sense. I had a very large cherimoya tree (15-20 ft tall x 20ft wide, cut back every year) with 2 ft diameter trunk which had many big side branches, shaped well (expanded paraboloid). When I mult-grafted that tree I had no problems with new grafts added to the strong lateral branches. Now I removed that tree and I have another tall cherimoya tree which grows to 15-20 feet tall every year straight up next to my block wall and I cut it back down to 15 ft. This tree is also old and has a two trunks of 4-6" diameter but not hardly any laterial/side branches (5ft wide). I have been trying to add new cherimoya/atemoya scions on this tree for many years but all (100%) my grafts eventually fail. I thought it was my grafting timing but now it makes sense what you say.  I should cut it back down to 4 ft tall and only graft on the vertical branches.

I have many other cherimoyas in pots and my grafts on those plants take and scions are growing well. Also did notice if I did not cut off/top the straight branches that I'm grafting to (like a side veneer) my grafts usually would fail. I don't have much problems with other fruit trees but Cherimoyas seems to be more picky on this issue.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sumo Citrus
« on: January 12, 2022, 01:18:17 AM »
Seems like people in San Diego have fruits ripen later than here in Orange County. All my citrus completely ripens by March. I have been eating my Gold Nuggets now, also have hundreds on the tree. My Honey murcot and A. murcot fruits are all ripening now and it is sweet.


I like citrus fruits that are sweet with some acid. Valentine and Cocktail grapefruits are sweet with hardly any acidic taste so it's not on the top of my list. Same thing with Oroblanco and Melogold, both are pretty sweet grapefruits but I like my pomelo which has a little acidic taste better. Yes, I'm trying to reduce my citrus varieties down to a few of my favorites for each mandarin, grapefruit, pomelo.

Can you tell me between the Shasta Gold and Yoshemite Gold, which one you like better or describe the taste comparison of these.

Derek, you can do matching size cleft graft of the avocado but make sure you have some leaves/buds/branches growing below the point you cut and graft the scion. If after 2-4wks the scion is not green and looks like it is drying out, cut off the rootstock (with bad graft) right below your graft union and you can still save the rootstock and prevent it from dying to ground. If you leave the bad/dead graft on the rootstock to long it may kill back the entire rootstock if it's a small plant.

Yes, you can do the side veneer graft and leave the top alive and don't cut it off until you see growth from the scion. I like the cleft graft since the graft union disappears after a year if it's done right and to me it is a stronger union than the side veneer (sometimes breaks off at union).

Which are the gold series you are talking about?
Is it Yoshemite Gold, Shasta Gold, Tahoe Gold  ?

I read that Shasta Gold was the best tasting of the three. I bought a Shasta, my small tree had a few fruits this year (Dec-Jan) that was good but not excellent. A ripe Gold Nugget might be a little sweeter than the Shasta Gold. I also have Ponkan which I think tastes better than the 3 Golds and the Gold Nugget.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sumo Citrus
« on: January 11, 2022, 03:52:56 PM »

I rather eat good tasting sumo than to pick it early and it isn't sweet and not worth eating yet.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sumo Citrus
« on: January 11, 2022, 03:30:06 AM »
Yorgos, I read that the sumo farmers have another process they follow after the fruits are picked. They wait about another 30days to let the acid go away and then the sweetness comes out. But if you wait until its fully ripe on the tree then it should taste pretty decent. For me it would be optimum at end of Feb.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order
« on: January 11, 2022, 01:24:44 AM »
Hi Joe, if you can pickup plants for Kaz & Roblack it would be appreciated. Let me know how much I can pay you for your cost for travel and time to do this.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sumo Citrus
« on: January 09, 2022, 06:30:35 PM »
I picked more/most of the sumo fruits from my 2019 grafted branches since the fruit seemed to have a little give when you squeeze it. Most of the fruits did not have seeds, but they still do not taste good, not sweet yet. I will wait until mid-Feb to pick the last bunch from my 2017 grafted branches. I noticed that these sumo fruits do not get as sweet as the ones from the asian markets.

If I compare the taste of Ponkan with Sumo, the Ponkan is much sweeter (consistently) even though it has some seeds (3-6 in each fruit).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: CCPP Budwood Price Hike
« on: January 09, 2022, 04:55:27 PM »

I would wait a little longer and let some fruits fall off naturally, then thin out to 1-2 fruits per branch. Your tree is not that large yet so to much fruits may delay the growth this year. That's a nice looking tree you got.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Regrown variegated seedlings
« on: January 08, 2022, 06:07:39 PM »
Do you have a photo of the variegated plant before it died back?

I had a red avocado seedling plant that came up variegated (most leaves and stem) but it eventually died completely after 1 yr.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Xie Shan- fruit photos
« on: January 07, 2022, 09:23:41 PM »
I picked the last of my Xie Shan fruits (2) and they were both over ripe so I couldn't eat them really. I guess in my location they will not hold onto the tree until Feb. The remaining mandarins I have that are still not ripe are the Shiranui/sumo, Gold Nugget, Shasta Gold, Honey Murcott, Murcott (FL) & Tango.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: CCPP Budwood Price Hike
« on: January 07, 2022, 08:14:26 PM »
Yup, it's way too expensive now for one budwood stick ($30 each). I'm glad I ordered all my varieties years ago and have everything I need. I feel bad for the new grafters trying to start a collection.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asian Persimmon - this season crops
« on: January 07, 2022, 07:38:10 PM »
When you dehydrate the fuyu it will taste 2x as sweet and it will keep for a longer time (up to 2month in air-tight bag).

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asian Persimmon - this season crops
« on: January 07, 2022, 02:53:31 PM »
I'm use to eating the hard/crunchy non-astringent varieties. But the Matsumoto will hang on the tree until the fruit color looks translucent and soft. The ones I let get soft were very sweet but I eat most of my fruits hard. The Saijo is an astringent variety so it can be picked firm, then needs to be left on the counter to get soft before you eat it. It is very sweet, maybe the best one if you like soft persimmons. I just grafted some Saijo on my mult-grafted tree.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Asian Persimmon - this season crops
« on: January 07, 2022, 03:46:11 AM »
I just finished picking most of my persimmons, even dehydrated some and it tastes very good.
I like the non-astringent varieties more than the soft astringent ones.

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