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Tropical Fruit Discussion / SoCal Orange County mango report 2017-2022
« on: August 26, 2022, 03:41:06 AM »
My mango report over the past few years in socal. The mango report is relatively pathetic this year. It's probably a mix of poor fertilizer choice,  severe powdery mildew,  and an extended freeze that damaged several trees.

In late February we had an unusually prolonged frost that caused cold damage. I'd never seen cold damage in my mango trees. Leaves partially wilted,  and unfortunately these half-dead leaves were severely disease-prone as the dead portions were like a magnet for disease.

Sweet tart is an easy grower here in CA but flowering is hit and miss. Only 1 fruit this year. In years past brix has been higher than 30. Easy grower. no die back that I can ever remember. It has grown too big for itself and broken branches because of how heavy it has gotten.

Pina colada,  coconut cream, M4, orange essence,  phoenix - reliable flowering and disease free for me. Pina colada is of course slow growing but tastes fantastic. Highest brix for me was 36.

Sugarloaf also fruits reliably for me but my tree is small.

Lemon zest flowers profusely but loses almost everything to powdery mildew. The tree grows quickly though and loves this weather and will flower. If you want to grow it in socal, you need to manage die back quickly and spray for powdery mildew starting in February.

Orange sherbet grows very well. Flowered heavily for me the first year but hasn't flowered for a few years until putting out 1 mango this year.

Taralay has been a reliable heavy producer for me for a few years now except for this year. I did change my fertilizer regimen and gave heavy nitrogen this year.

Honey kiss... Grows but is prone to random die back.

Dot - gave fantastic fruit for a couple of years but 90% of the tree died back due to infection. It's hanging on by a thread.

Ppk doesn't like my climate. It's alive and flowers once per season sparsely but it prefers to grow when we have humid monsoon weather from Arizona. It didn't flush at all this season until this past week,  and now it's going bonkers.

Kesar was like Ppk but finally succumbed to die back. I have a new graft on different rootstock and will get a better chance to judge it.

Venus - hard to say. It's growing under a mulberry and so is essentially shaded and suffers from random die back. I think it would do better in full sun.

Orange essence is a problem free aggressive grower and sets lots of fruit. If you are a rookie and want a Florida mango tree grow this.

Phoenix also grows vigorously and sets lots of fruit but does have random die back.

I mention the die back because it spreads rapidly and will kill the tree of it gets deep enough into the trunk.

Furit punch does well and is relatively disease free.

Juicy Peach seems like a dud but I got some wood from Alex at tropical acres and am regrafting it onto more vigorous rootstock. The original Juicy Peach has grown maybe 5 8nches in 4 years.

Pineapple Pleasure also seems like a dud. Hasn't flowered in 4 years. 1 tree has grown several feet whioe another has grown just a few inches.

Cotton candy is growing and did produce good quality fruit. I've only had it for 2 years now.

Mabruka flowers at the end of fall for me and produces fruit over winter and then something or someone steals it as it flattens up in spring.

Mallika died. Never liked the fruit. Giving it another chance.

M4 is also an easy grower and fruits reliably for me. It is later season for me like it is in Florida.

Cecilove is small and hasn't flowered yet.

Karen Michelle is small and hasn't flowered yet

M10 is small and haven't flowered yet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Black sapote problems
« on: August 02, 2020, 09:51:17 PM »
Hi all

I have 2 in ground black sapote, reinecke and beauty(?). I've had them for 3 years. They flower every year, and each year the flowers dry up and fall off. They look very similar to persimmon flowers (I believe they are related). I know some plants have male flowers, but as I have grafted plants the source material should be able to bear fruit.

I'm at a loss at this point and am thinking of replacing the trees or topworking them. It would be a shame to sacrifice 2 great looking trees, but after 3 years and with no fruit to show for it, I'm hard pressed to keep these when they should have fruited within a year.

Am I missing anything? Doing something wrong?

I recently bought gold nugget, dang rasimi, and black gold scioms from oscar at fruitlovers. Great quality and received quickly. Now I'd like to source some other varieties as well. A friend and I have 20 more seedlings that are looking to be grafted.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: mcdill white sapote scions
« on: August 24, 2019, 02:23:19 AM »
Buy or trade.


Seemed firmly attached to the roots but as soon as it touched soil it disappeared and got lost in the rubble.

Any thoughts? Is this a parasite?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Who dun it?
« on: March 22, 2019, 11:16:45 AM »
I grafted some avocado scions that were gifted to me by a generous member. Grafts had taken and were slowly pushing out.

I checked on them yesterday and was surprised and disappointed to find out something or someone had cut off the tops of 2 grafts. One graft is below the cut line and has popped buds so it is not a total loss.

The question is who or what did the damage.

Was it:
A) the gardeners who came yesterday and trimmed the lawn and probably used an edger?

B) a critter whi bit through the wood for fun or food?

C) one of my kids playing baseball in the front yard?

I don't know the answer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / 6 pounders!
« on: January 26, 2019, 06:08:53 PM »

Never heard of this variety. The reports of it being watery in November are off-putting as I wonder how much it can really improve afterwards.

As an aside, I've had trouble with other large avos (queen) ripening evenly. Is that a common problem with large avos?

The real kicker is that my wife is the one who spotted this article and sent it to me 😀. She is slowly turning to the fruit side.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / E4 seed: stud or dud?
« on: July 23, 2018, 01:26:44 AM »
Pulled this out of an E4 tonight. I donít think Iíve ever seen a mango seed so small. Is it viable or is it a dud or the equivalent of a cuke?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Happy Eid!
« on: June 15, 2018, 05:35:09 PM »
Today marks the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, and Eid is one of the big Muslim celebrations. So if you have a Muslim buddy give him or her a call or holler and wish them a happy Eid and/or send them a basket of yummy fruit (unless they live in California and it will get confiscated ...).

My wife bought me something from Lyn at treasure of the tropics!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Whitish powder near my avocado grafts
« on: June 09, 2018, 03:47:08 PM »
Iíve noticed this whitish powder surrounding some of my avocado grafts on my largest tree. Not sure what to make of i it but I canít imagine itís healthy. Any idea what it might be and/or how to treat it if needed?

Photos below
Tree is holding over a hundred Avos. Maybe 200-300

My landscaping project is moving along. About a week behind schedule but first set of plants went into the ground today.

I have an 8-10 foot plot set aside for a nabal avocado. I have a 6 month old nabal about 2 feet tall and my original 4 year old nabal that has been through some rough times but scraped along and is alive. I can keep both trees as I have a side spot 6-8 feet) in the front yard for the other tree. The dilemma is that the backyard spot would be permanent. The front yard spot is for experimenting so it may come down in a few years if I decide to change it.

I think I know the answer but which plant should get the prime/permanent spot? I ask because Iíd like to get an opinion other than my own before committing. Big prokect and Iím getting anxious.

Thanks in advance


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango epidemic spreading in my yard
« on: April 03, 2018, 12:22:28 PM »
About 6 weeks ago I noticed my coconut cream tree started to wilt and have dieback. I thought maybe it was frost damage from a few really cold nights. 4 weeks ago, I noticed similar symptoms in my sweet tart, juicy peach, peach cobbler, and Edward trees. The Edward tree had dieback straight back to the graft union.

Today I noticed cotton candy tree is showing some early signs with leaf spotting and browning and some wilting of the green branches. Seems like an infection of sorts to me as all the affected trees are in close proximity to each other.

Any thoughts as to infection type? Phomopsis? Verticillium wilt? Anthracnose?

Any way to save the trees? Iíve cut some way back to clean bark. I sprayed with fungicide today. Any systemic drenches that could be done?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Avocado and annona rootstcok
« on: March 19, 2018, 01:27:48 AM »
So Iíve nearly exhausted my supply of avocado rootstock and have multigrafted my 6 annona trees and still have more wood that Iíd like to use.

Would prefer to graft onto rootstock rather than onto already grafted varieties and have to deal with any potential I terstock issues.

If you have any for sale or trade please let me know


Citrus General Discussion / Daisy vs daisy sl
« on: March 17, 2018, 01:34:25 PM »
I had been looking for daisy sl for over a year now. No luck. One large nursery told me that many growers swapped out the daisy for the sl variety without changing labels.

I caved in and bought a daisy tree from evergreen nursery in northern San Diego. The fruit were excellent! And seedless as well. Does anyone know if thereís any truth to the seedless swap?

Otherwise Iíve found a large grower that would graft and grow them for me at 6-9$ a pop, minimum 100 trees. I donít need 100 trees though.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Avocado grafting advice - what to do next?
« on: March 10, 2018, 04:29:16 PM »
I grafted several varieties towards the end of January. I have some multigrafted trees as well as single traditionally grafted trees (1 Scion per rootstock).

Iíve had a higher success rate than Iíve ever had (better than 50% with several scions still green and only 1 dead or black one).

For the grafts that are pushing on the single scion trees, a decent number have rootstock shoots that have grown from below the graft union and are now taller than the grafted buds. Should I leave these be or cut them back? Thanks

Iíll be in the Fort Lauderdale Miami area on Monday morning and will have some free hours. Any places that are definite meccas for fruit hobbyists and are welcoming to visitors?


Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / WTB: cristobalina cherry
« on: March 02, 2018, 03:36:27 PM »
Looking for scionwood. Willing to buy or trade.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Air pruning pots on the cheap - lol
« on: February 15, 2018, 11:15:18 PM »
Left this out for a few weeks. then The dog got to it. Luckily it seems to have been upgraded to an air pruning pot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Clonal rootstock suckers
« on: February 10, 2018, 06:58:26 PM »
I have a sharwil avocado on Dusa rootstock and noticed that I never see suckers growing from it. Does anyone know if they are treated somehow to prevent suckers? Any ways to induce suckers? Iím curious about dusa and want to learn more about it.


Temperate Fruit Discussion / 6GM25/ royal crimson cherry
« on: February 10, 2018, 06:50:15 PM »
Anyone in SoCal or in non traditional cherry growing territory successfully get this variety to flower? I have 2 trees and this is the second year Iíve had them. Buds are breaking but no flowers (again). Wondering if this is not truly low chill as the tag states ithe chill hours are questionable.

I have royal lee and Minnie royal that have fruited for me and one of them has 6 little Cherries  already so far (I know itís early in the season)


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB: Gwen avocado scions
« on: January 25, 2018, 02:41:54 AM »
Looking for Gwen avocado scions, buy or trade.

Please let me know. appreciate your help,


Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Looking for persimmon scions
« on: January 24, 2018, 02:47:32 AM »

I'm looking for the following:

-rojo brillante

willing to buy or trade (I have mainly avocado and mangos with a few random stone fruit and occ annona)


Tropical Fruit Discussion / CRFG cache
« on: January 23, 2018, 12:39:24 AM »
I've been to 3 of the scion wood exchanges this year and made out like a bandit  ;D

I got my hands on the following:

Apricot   Cultivar
   Goldbeck's Perfection
   Tropical Gold
   Tardif de Bordaniel
   Golden Amber
   Gold Kist
   Shiro Kaga
   JB 47 White Peach (locally named cultivar after Jim Bathgate)
   Flavor Top
   Green Gage
   Flavor Treat
   Daily 11


         White lavender fat

         Fig 9336

The San Diego meeting is next. Anyone grab anything interesting? I hadn't heard of Flavor Treat or Flavor Top, but apparently they are mainly commercial varieties and not really widely released to the public. Daily 11 is a very large avocado but I heard taste is average. I hear a lot about choquette avocados from Florida and was told it is a typical West Indian variety (not my favorite profile) but willing to try it out. I don't know anything about Linda avocado.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Please help ID this avocado
« on: January 08, 2018, 12:37:55 AM »
At a recent crfg meeting, I received budwood from an avocado seedling tree that reportedly makes excellent large avocados in Riverside. I have quite a few (albeit junior) trees and wasn't looking to experiment but figured what the heck. As a bonus, the person who brought the wood also gave me an avocado from said tree. Attached is a picture. I'll update the post when it ripens and I try it but does anyone have an idea of what variety it is or may have come from? The donor told me it came from a seedling tree on an avocado farm. He didn't know too much else about it but there are fuerte trees on that farm (this is obviously not a fuerte avocado).

Any help is appreciated!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Advice on tree placement for landscaping project
« on: September 13, 2017, 10:58:58 PM »
After 7 years of collecting trees and growing them in pots and boxes, it's time to put these plants in the ground. I am working with a landscape architect for the design but wanted to solicit advice from the group at large. I have to work in roughly 170 trees/plants. Some will probably have to be axed. East is towards the top of the plan. I don't like where the cherimoyas are positioned and want to move them between the curved firepit and the sports court. Thanks in advance for your collective wisdom and advice :-)

Avocado - 21
Citrus - 34
Stone Fruit - 15
Apples/Pears - 3
Mango - 22
Mulberry - 3
Blueberry - 5
Cherimoya Ė 4
Persimmon Ė 5
Sapote Ė 5
Guava Ė 2
Fig Ė 8
Miracle Fruit Ė 2
Cinnamon Ė 1
Elder Berry Ė 1
Olive Ė 3
Dragon Fruit Ė 3-5
Grapes Ė 7
Pomegranate - 5

Would like some trellises for grapes and other vine plants (ie, passionfruit)
Would like a simple structure for the dragon fruit

Cinnamon and miracle fruit need shade with indirect light


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