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Can anyone explain whatís happening with the flush? Itís Keitt tree in 15 gal.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: August 10, 2023, 12:41:47 AM »
Peat moss is good, but straight peat moss does not have enough drainage. We always included pine bark fines. They are also acid but help promote better drainage.
Thank you! unfortunately could not find any pine bark fines at local stores in OC area, soCal. Planning to add pumice for good Drainage and may be adding sulfur to potting mix and watering with little vinegar may help...
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: August 09, 2023, 12:41:43 AM »
Hi all experienced Lychee growers,
I would like to transplant a 3G Mauritius into 15g pot. Would like your suggestions on potting mix. Learning that lychee likes acidic soil. Will peatmoss work?  Normally, used pumice for my other tropical trees, hopefully it will work for Lychee too. Any other suggestion like plastic or fabric container. Also, planning to move inland near Riverside area, can Lychee manage high heat there?
thank you all!!!


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB- SCIONS for Mango Variety
« on: August 08, 2023, 02:14:39 AM »
If you were willing to start from seed, they are all poly.
Yes! already trying to grow them here. But, The Scions are for my tree in India,  wish to topwork with few FL varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB- SCIONS for Mango Variety
« on: August 06, 2023, 10:55:40 PM »
Hope everyone in FL had a great season, Looking for SCIONS of Sweet Tart, M4, Cot. Candy and  Lemon zest.

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Disinfecting mango seeds...
Quiet recently when trying to sprout Mango seeds, Stuck with mold/fungus issues, it spreads from one seed to othersÖ For vegetable seeds, normally used Hydrogen peroxide to soak for about 15 min, will it help Mango too? I was told Bleach can help.  Did anyone used bleach? Any other better process?
Mike

I've never had that issue. I use a steak knife on the fuzzy side of the seed pod, saw till I get a good size crack, use my thumbnails to open, rinse the seed off and put it sideways in soil - I don't think I've ever failed to germinate a mango using this method.
for me too it worked with all "hot water treated mango" from mexico, unfortunately the LZ from FL had mold and it spread to other seeds...  :'( :'( :'(  may be I handled the seeds without sanitizing my hand during wetting paper towel...  :-\

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Disinfecting mango seeds...
Quiet recently when trying to sprout Mango seeds, Stuck with mold/fungus issues, it spreads from one seed to othersÖ For vegetable seeds, normally used Hydrogen peroxide to soak for about 15 min, will it help Mango too? I was told Bleach can help. (like 2% bleach)  Did anyone used bleach? Any other better process?
Mike

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You shouldn't let the tree fruit until large enough, with most trees that will be the 3-4 year mark depending on vigor. That said the fruit will not usually impress until year 5-6. Some trees take very long to hit their stride, but in SoCal you can usually know by year 7. This is inland in the foothills, it will take longer by the coast.
Thanks for the details... Thought Poly can start to flower much earlier. I am thinking to move inland in about 2 years.. until then, hopefully 7,10 or 15 Gal can hold them... Do know some Mono takes up to 10 years. Most of the Indian varieties won't flower until 7 yrs. 

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Lemon Zest can have mono seeds. Iím not sure if the resulting seedling will be a clone or zygotic.

Iíve got both mono and Polyembryonic seeds from Maha.

Simon
Hi Simon and Other Heroes,
Thanks for your guidance...
I Got one LZ Mono and 2 Maha. seeds. Is it worth growing Mono version of Lemon Zest and Maha? How can it be useful? Are Mono versions of Indo-Chines takes longer than their poly version to fruit? (assuming poly takes 3-5 Yrs) just like understand...
Anyway, I do got Poly Cot. Candy, Cac, LZ, Honey Kiss,M4 and Sweet Tart. Based on lots of feedback in TFF,  ST is the best for SoCal. Not sure on others.
Thanks,
Mike



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Lemon Zest can have mono seeds. Iím not sure if the resulting seedling will be a clone or zygotic.

Iíve got both mono and Polyembryonic seeds from Maha.

Simon
Thanks Simon,
Can a LZ Tree produce Mono and Poly seeds? Other 2 Maha seeds are Mono too...

Yes. LZ can produce mono and poly seeds. Most of my Maha seeds have mono seeds but I recently found one with a Polyembryonic seed. It had multiple segments and after some incubation, the multiple segments produced separate roots. I normally wouldnít grow out a Maha seed but this one intrigued me.

I believe Harry Hausman also planted out a poly Maha seed and he fruited one of the seedlings but if I remember correctly, the seedling that he chose happened to be the zygotic seedling so the fruit was completely different.

Simon
Yes Simon, Looks like the 2nd LZ is poly. Can see multiple segments may be like 4



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Lemon Zest can have mono seeds. Iím not sure if the resulting seedling will be a clone or zygotic.

Iíve got both mono and Polyembryonic seeds from Maha.

Simon
Thanks Simon,
Can a LZ Tree produce Mono and Poly seeds? Other 2 Maha seeds are Mono too...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 19, 2023, 10:38:39 PM »
It doesnt say it attacks persea mites on their page but I am 100% sure these are the right ones, I have used them a couple times and eliminated persea mites here.  If you search for info about persea mites, the californicus is the main predator mite used in avocado orchards. 

https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/neoseiulus-californicus-1000-adults-vial?_pos=1&_sid=7b7b47e16&_ss=r
Thanks Brad,
reading more into it... looks like Neoseiulus californicus will be effective when damage is >50% of surface of the leaves. as of now the rate of is about 5%... will it work?

The photo you posted shows a pretty bad infestation.  It doesnt really get worse than that.  Is it just one tree you have?  It came like that from the nursery or did it developed recently, like it came from the neighbors?  Do the neighbors also have trees? 

If its in the area and your tree is fairly large, i would definitely get a vile of predators.  They will spread out and fix the neighbors trees too.  If you just have one small small tree that came that way from the nursery, you might be able to use a horticultural oil on it. 

The predator mites dont really have any downside other than the price.  But i dont thik they cost a whole lot for a small vile.

You can also just ignore it.  It will not kill the tree but it will put a dent in the trees ability to grow quickly since parts of the leaves will become dead and leaf drop will be bad next spring.

Thank you Brad ,
Yes! I have a small tree abt 5 ft tall. It looks like i have that on sharwil and Gwen, but mostly on Sharwil. Already applied horticulture oil, will wait for few days and see... none in my neighborhood about 100 ft. have avocado trees. May be I got that from nursery itself...

 

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Thought LZ is polyembryonic seed, but it looks like monoÖ  :-\
Can anyone confirm?







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 19, 2023, 03:40:42 PM »
It doesnt say it attacks persea mites on their page but I am 100% sure these are the right ones, I have used them a couple times and eliminated persea mites here.  If you search for info about persea mites, the californicus is the main predator mite used in avocado orchards. 

https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/products/neoseiulus-californicus-1000-adults-vial?_pos=1&_sid=7b7b47e16&_ss=r
Thanks Brad,
reading more into it... looks like Neoseiulus californicus will be effective when damage is >50% of surface of the leaves. as of now the rate of is about 5%... will it work?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 🥭Mangos for sale 🥭
« on: July 18, 2023, 05:17:15 PM »
first time had LZ and Maha. LZ has exceptionally good with complex tastes 😋. Everyone in my family liked it. Maha tasting unique "intense endless sweet" Waiting on others to ripenÖ




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can anyone suggest good fertilizer for mango trees?
all have diffent NPK ratio and sulfur.  For example Arizona's Best citrus have 12% sulfur and others have 1-3% most of socal soil ph is 7+ and  fertilizer with sulfer good? or adding separately is good?
Thanks,
Mike

The best answer is it depends. If you have heavier soil you will need to add less N and K, and if you have lighter soil you will need to add more. Lighter in the sense that it drains more easily/ holds moisture less.

Being that the trees are being grown in an arid clime, and likely on municipal water sources, the pH is going to climb at some point, and the easiest way to address this is with sulfur. In this case elemental sulfur is the usual choice, as when water is added it begins to dissolve and convert into the highly acidic sulfuric acid, which helps to lower the pH of the water and help balance the pH of the soil. The ultimate goal is to keep the soil pH below the high 8s in order to keep the micronutrients soluble and ready for roots to absorb. If the pH climbs, you will see interveinal cholorosis, which is a common condition, and somewhat detrimental for mangoes. The issue with mangoes in dryer areas like the west is that they produce very few vegetal flushes per year, and those leaves last for up to three years, so having poorly formed leaves which will never improve over time is a huge detriment. If you want pictures, check the mango diseases thread, there's usually a few pics within a page or two.

You will find N and K to be the Macronutrients required to sustain the trees, and Ca will be necessary once fruiting begins, but you may start adding it early, the solubility is poor, so it sticks around. The best form is gypsum, which is readily available, and has a balanced pH which will not worsen the condition of the soil (for micronutrient uptake).

Thank you 🙏🏻 for your reply and suggestions

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Can hot water treated mango seeds of Kent /haden /manila from Mexico grow?

I bought Ataulfo and no name (red and green color), usual store mangoes ( is it Haden?) from a Mexican store and both of them sprouted. I put them into pots and an Ataulfo is putting out leaves.
got 3 Kent plants from hot water treated. Not all sprouted. May be I will try to grow few Ataulfo/Manila. Also heard Tommy grows well in SoCal. Trying to grow may be 10 total.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 17, 2023, 06:45:58 PM »
Its persea mites.

You can buy predator mites (californicus) to get rid of them.  Or sometimes they just die off on their own if your area is really hot.  I have had them in the past and they went away this last time on their own.  Just depends if your neighbors have them and what the weather is like. 

If its over 100 in your area, the predator mites will also die.
Thanks for the confirmation Brad. I am in coastal area (around 10 miles) normally it never gets to 100s in my area... any other way to control? not sure where to get predator mites (californicus)...




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 17, 2023, 03:05:53 PM »
Persea mites probably? Do you have any way to look at the underside spots with magnification?
not yet but I'm thinking it's  Persea mites, by looking into magnified pictures...  how to eradicate it? any idea?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: July 17, 2023, 12:23:02 PM »
Can anyone please help? I have these dark spots on the Sharwil tree.
What is it? Whatís the treatment?







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can anyone suggest good fertilizer for mango trees?
all have diffent NPK ratio and sulfur.  For example Arizona's Best citrus have 12% sulfur and others have 1-3% most of socal soil ph is 7+ and  fertilizer with sulfer good? or adding separately is good?
Thanks,
Mike

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I really Love Kent, very classic!  can it grow well in Socal with Florida rootstock? Though, I can get from stores, sometimes those are just Haden. thinking to add Val Carrie and Kent

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can anyone suggent good online or loca store for val-Carrie and Venus mango trees?

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Can anyone having success growing , please post Top 3 in each of the Flavor for "Best tasting and most reliable" to Grow in SoCal? Updated the flavor from tropicalacresfarms.com site may not be 100% for SoCal.

Classic - Sindhri, Kent , Honey Kiss,
Coconut - Coconut Cream
Indochinese -
Indochinese hybrid - Sweet Tart
Indian/West Indian -
Indian Alphonso - Kesar,
Thai - NDM

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Yes, but you can also find non hot water treated from Mexico, and they grow well too.
Where can you find it? All stores around OC area have only Hot Water Treated Kents.

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