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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2020, 03:36:22 PM »
In a Passiflora biological taxonomy document I read a few years ago, they grouped it into the Passiflora "Super-Section Laurifolia / Series Tiliifolia", which would maybe suggest that those in the same Super-Section and/or Series would make for the best cross pollinators.  Looking through the list of Passiflora species in that Super-Section, these are the ones that are more commonly known:

P. gabrielliana
P. laurifolia
P. nigradenia
P. nitida
P. tolimana
P. venusta
P. alata
P. phoenicea
P. quadrangularis
P. maliformis
P. serrulata
P. triloba

Thanks barath. I'll look around. My alata expired last year unfortunately. I've also been told that Frederick should work and i have that flowering too, so will give it a shot.
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2020, 08:37:38 PM »
It does fruit in LA. The fresh fruits first became available last year in LA, so most of the seedling growers wouldn't be getting flowers just yet, except for a few like barath and the guy that fruited it in LA.

I'm sure there'll be lots of people fruiting it from seed in a couple of years.

Have we heard of any success yet?
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2020, 12:29:03 PM »
Mine has been throwing a couple flowers every night for just over a week. I’m getting fruit set with ‘Constance elliot’




And less consistently with ‘Frederick‘


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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2020, 03:19:17 PM »
Mine has been throwing a couple flowers every night for just over a week. I’m getting fruit set with ‘Constance elliot’
And less consistently with ‘Frederick‘

Amazing! Have you observed any fruit setting without cross pollination?
Looking for scionwoods: loquat, cherimoya, jujube, chocolate perssimon

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2020, 05:27:11 PM »
No fruit w/o cross-pollination, nor with actinia or sidifolia. The last flower i think was yesterday and i did a self on that. It looks like i'm going to end up with about a dozen fruit. Crossing fingers for seeds/pulp.
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2020, 05:30:42 PM »
update:

Self hand pollination



Frederick


Constance Elliot

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2020, 06:59:18 PM »
Cool Shane, thanks for update on pollination report!

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2020, 12:53:39 PM »
Fruit still looking good. Should they be yellow even before fully ripe? Mine are greenish purple with spots. Could this be a ligularis x Frederick?


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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 02:22:45 PM »
It would be worth trying those hybrids out.

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2020, 02:59:17 PM »
Ok, this says that there are yellow and purple forms and mine are ripe.

https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/vines/passion-flower/how-to-harvest-passion-fruit.htm
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 05:49:40 PM »
Isn't the fruit of P. ligularis green when developing but then ripens to golden yellow or a golden orange?  And sometimes has a rosy blush on one cheek?

That's what I remember from when I ate them in Costa Rica and Guatemala.

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 10:38:40 PM »
Link says yellow or purple/black. Mine is the latter.
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2020, 12:34:08 AM »
Shane, that's really weird and interesting.  I wonder if it was a cross that produced those.  They look bigger than normal P. ligularis fruit.  I'm curious what they end up tasting like.  If they're like other fruit in that subsection of passiflora, they won't fall when ripe -- you have to pick them.

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2020, 10:39:59 AM »
Shane, be sure to show us all pic of fruit when you cut open would be interesting to see if inside is like ligularis which is kind of soft spongy textured or edulis with less spongy and more juice! What ever it will be you might have nice variety hopefully. 8)

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2020, 11:01:19 AM »
Shane, that's really weird and interesting.  I wonder if it was a cross that produced those.  They look bigger than normal P. ligularis fruit.  I'm curious what they end up tasting like.  If they're like other fruit in that subsection of passiflora, they won't fall when ripe -- you have to pick them.

Hey barath, glad you jumped in here! You gave me this plant years ago so maybe you remember if it could be a Frederick cross? It was June 2015 according to my messages. Recognize this tag?



« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 11:03:32 AM by shaneatwell »
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2020, 09:52:11 PM »
Shane, that's really weird and interesting.  I wonder if it was a cross that produced those.  They look bigger than normal P. ligularis fruit.  I'm curious what they end up tasting like.  If they're like other fruit in that subsection of passiflora, they won't fall when ripe -- you have to pick them.

Hey barath, glad you jumped in here! You gave me this plant years ago so maybe you remember if it could be a Frederick cross? It was June 2015 according to my messages. Recognize this tag?




Oh yeah -- I forgot about that!  So I'm pretty sure that they aren't crossed with Frederick, but they could have been crossed with some other Passiflora, but I don't know what if so.  I think I got that batch of seeds from someone in South America, but I don't remember which batch that specific plant was from.  P. ligularis fruit sometimes has some purple coloration, though not as much as your fruit seem to.  I wonder what color they'll be when ripe -- they should be partly or mostly yellow/orange.
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2020, 12:11:50 PM »
John Vanderplank book Passion Flowers says; under fruit of passiflora ligularia Large, sweet and very edible, green, turning yellow, orange or purplish when ripe. Ovoid, with hard brittle shell 3 1/5ins. long, 2 2/5 ins wide.
I have seen orange yellow fruit but never purplish!

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2020, 03:51:20 PM »
update:

Self hand pollination



Frederick


Constance Elliot



Hi shaneatwell,

When you wrote Frederick, you meant you used Frederick pollen for P. ligularis; didn't you?  Any update of your fruits?  My p. ligularis is also fruiting too in San Jose, CA.  They are changing the color to yellow.

 



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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2020, 12:05:21 PM »
Yes on Frederick pollen. Update on the fruit: I had the Frederick crossed fruit when it was still purple and there was no flesh just seeds and white cases. But it did produce seeds so the crosses work to that extent. Then I waited for the others to turn color and have 3 yellow as of a couple weeks ago. We tried one last Saturday. This was from using self pollen.




The taste was sweet and pleasant. Not much sour at all. Slightly bitter aftertaste. My wife chews the seeds and she said way crunchier than Frederick. I definitely prefer Frederick for the sweet tart mix. I’ve saved seeds and try to germinate.

Overall the pollination success was approximately
1/20 for Frederick
3/9 For Constance
2/2 for self

Hand pollination with its own pollen seems like the best option. Next year I’ll do mostly that.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2020, 12:18:58 PM by shaneatwell »
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2020, 05:54:16 PM »
SoCal should be a great climate for them. I am a bit warm so they don't do as well but they go well at higher altitudes in my local area. Most people seem to prefer edulis and they are more flavourful and have a better acid/sugar balance.

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2020, 06:12:23 PM »
Yes on Frederick pollen. Update on the fruit: I had the Frederick crossed fruit when it was still purple and there was no flesh just seeds and white cases. But it did produce seeds so the crosses work to that extent. Then I waited for the others to turn color and have 3 yellow as of a couple weeks ago. We tried one last Saturday. This was from using self pollen.




The taste was sweet and pleasant. Not much sour at all. Slightly bitter aftertaste. My wife chews the seeds and she said way crunchier than Frederick. I definitely prefer Frederick for the sweet tart mix. I’ve saved seeds and try to germinate.

Overall the pollination success was approximately
1/20 for Frederick
3/9 For Constance
2/2 for self

Hand pollination with its own pollen seems like the best option. Next year I’ll do mostly that.


That's great to hear.  I am just starting some from seeds, but I live in the north / bay area.  Hopefully it works out well here.

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2020, 10:38:35 AM »
I am growing two plants of the golden variety. Slow growth ,some problem with leaf deformation- when the growth spurt starts everything is okay till one or two weeks later when it the new leaves start to get deformed and the plant stops growing. Mine are around half a meter high and very branched out since the growing tip problem discussed above.

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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2020, 12:29:36 PM »
if that was citrus, i'd guess aphids, but i've not seen that issue on passiflora.
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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2020, 12:56:58 PM »
Here are te pics, those red dots seem to apear and right after, the plant stops growing ,its very odd, the leaves get smaller and deformed. Sorry if i'm hitchhiking the tread.














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Re: Passiflora Ligularis / Sweet Granadilla
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2020, 12:01:47 PM »
Here’s the fruit from Constance Elliot cross. Tasted awful but could be natural variability. Both fruits from the CE cross were smaller than the selfed.

 



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