Author Topic: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf (Read 12669 times)

Frog Valley Farm · « **on:** November 16, 2018, 03:24:11 PM »

This was our favorite Mango this season. Thankfully we procured 16 trees for planting out in our grove today. I guess they plan on this selling out quickly once it’s released.

skhan · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2018, 08:28:54 PM »

Didn't realize it was out yet.
It was one of my favorites this year. Only had one though

simon_grow · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2018, 08:54:39 PM »

You picked out an excellent variety to plant out 16 trees of. I wish you a bountiful harvest once your trees are established. Please keep us updated on your trees, I’m sure there are a lot of people on this forum that is interested in the growth rate/habit of this variety.

Simon

WGphil · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2018, 05:07:01 PM »

Got two E-4 Sugarloaf today along with coconut cream

Cc is four times bigger and cheaper

macias_97 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2018, 06:49:02 PM »

just curious, what does the fruit look/taste like? why is it your favorite?

Capt Ram · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2018, 02:36:57 AM »

I wonder if it's bacterial black spot resistant
The disease is going to cover the whole area and wipe out everything from my experience.. if not resistant

WGphil · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2018, 06:57:55 AM »

Limited amount grafted and very young trees

When Frog said they were released I called my local Zill distributor and he wasn’t finished unloading the truck befor I got there

Second place imango i tasted in 2018 after LZ

Squam256 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2018, 10:47:33 AM »

Quote from: Capt Ram on December 07, 2018, 02:36:57 AM

I wonder if it's bacterial black spot resistant
The disease is going to cover the whole area and wipe out everything from my experience.. if not resistant

I speculate that it’s going to be resistant based on it being an Edward seedling and observed resistance by Edward progeny (Angie, Harvest Moon, Seacrest, Duncan, and Coconut Cream). However It is also worth noting that these all likely contained genes from the Julian or Philippine lines (Duncan). Sugarloaf’s paternal parent may be Pettigrew (whose own level of resistance is unclear).

But we won’t know for sure until more of the Sugarloaf trees fruit.

zands · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2018, 11:10:48 AM »

Quote from: WGphil on December 07, 2018, 06:57:55 AM

Limited amount grafted and very young trees

When Frog said they were released I called my local Zill distributor and he wasn’t finished unloading the truck befor I got there

Second place imango i tasted in 2018 after LZ

You snooze you lose. I am looking to solid LZ production this coming year.

WGphil · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2018, 12:53:34 PM »

I grew the LZ so it might have got the nod over sugarloaf for that reason

Both are wonderful

Cythompson159@yahoo.com · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2018, 04:58:49 PM »

I never cared for mangos much but heard a lot about these Zill mangos and bought a lemon zest and a CC since I love citrus and coconut. Had the LZ last year and loved it and can’t wait to try the CC this year. I loved it so much I’m ready to buy another mango tree and have been research much. I’m dwindled it down to this butter cream mango or an orange sherbet. I have heard mixed stories weather the LZ and OS are similar. Do u have a recenondation weathe I should get the OS or butter cream?

Frog Valley Farm · « **Reply #11 on:** December 07, 2018, 05:06:46 PM »

Quote from: Cythompson159@yahoo.com on December 07, 2018, 04:58:49 PM

I never cared for mangos much but heard a lot about these Zill mangos and bought a lemon zest and a CC since I love citrus and coconut. Had the LZ last year and loved it and can’t wait to try the CC this year. I loved it so much I’m ready to buy another mango tree and have been research much. I’m dwindled it down to this butter cream mango or an orange sherbet. I have heard mixed stories weather the LZ and OS are similar. Do u have a recenondation weathe I should get the OS or butter cream?

That’s easy, Butter Cream is definitely a top tier Mango.

Future · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2018, 04:59:19 PM »

Quote from: Cythompson159@yahoo.com on December 07, 2018, 04:58:49 PM

I never cared for mangos much but heard a lot about these Zill mangos and bought a lemon zest and a CC since I love citrus and coconut. Had the LZ last year and loved it and can’t wait to try the CC this year. I loved it so much I’m ready to buy another mango tree and have been research much. I’m dwindled it down to this butter cream mango or an orange sherbet. I have heard mixed stories weather the LZ and OS are similar. Do u have a recenondation weathe I should get the OS or butter cream?

I haven’t had the pleasure to enjoy Buttercream yet. I have tried more than 100 other varieties over the last 8 years or so and...OS makes my top 5.

FMfruitforest · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2018, 04:49:43 PM »

Does Sugarloaf Mango have any coconut flavor in it?

Squam256 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2018, 06:01:01 PM »

Quote from: FMfruitforest on December 09, 2018, 04:49:43 PM

Does Sugarloaf Mango have any coconut flavor in it?

Yes, particularly on the riper side.

WGphil · « **Reply #15 on:** December 10, 2018, 09:44:06 AM »

Butter Cream is a wonderful tasting mango that resembles its name. The texture and taste are hard to beat...

Just out of my top ten this season with OS a few spots higher

I like the citrus flavored mangos to a fault so your mileage may vary

TREESNMORE · « **Reply #16 on:** December 17, 2018, 12:27:02 PM »

I have 7 E4 Sugarloaf mango 3 gallon for sell $35.00 Mike at TreesNMore

fruitlove · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2018, 08:57:25 PM »

Sounds like a very promising cultivar! I'd like to get on a budwood wait list for next summer.

Frog Valley Farm · « **Reply #18 on:** January 02, 2019, 07:59:06 AM »

Most of our Mangos are pushing flowers even the Sugar Loaf. Though at 1ft tall it might be a bit too small. I was surprised with the efficacy of various drenches these young trees got and even though I could clearly see copper was sprayed at zills, the rhizosphere was soon colonized by arbuscular mychorizal fungi as shown in the photo.

Squam256 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 02, 2019, 11:13:20 AM »

Quote from: Frog Valley Farm on January 02, 2019, 07:59:06 AM

Most of our Mangos are pushing flowers even the Sugar Loaf. Though at 1ft tall it might be a bit too small. I was surprised with the efficacy of various drenches these young trees got and even though I could clearly see copper was sprayed at zills, the rhizosphere was soon colonized by arbuscular mychorizal fungi as shown in the photo.

And manzate

Das Bhut · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2019, 06:12:45 PM »

any new info on this or the buttercream?

Mango in pots · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2019, 10:50:47 PM »

Hello everyone.

Im interested in a sugarloaf mango tree.

Please private message me.

Thank you.

Clayton · « **Reply #22 on:** July 25, 2019, 02:07:24 PM »

Hello, can anyone tell me if the Butter Cream mango trees are semi dwarf or giant growing trees? I can't find any info on tree size.

MANGOJOY · « **Reply #23 on:** July 25, 2019, 08:50:17 PM »

Quote from: Das Bhut on April 10, 2019, 06:12:45 PM

any new info on this or the buttercream?

It does have very smooth and soft texture. Melts in your mouth like butter cream. I like the shape, each butter cream mango have it ‘own unique shape. It’s uglier than Ugly Betty. Because of the hint of Indochinese flavor it’s not in my top 10 list. But, I love Zinc, Sweet tart, P22 and the new no name mango even though its dose have significant amount of Indochinese flavor.

MANGOJOY · « **Reply #24 on:** July 25, 2019, 09:12:28 PM »

This year Sugar Loaf was excellent. A mix of pineapple and Coconut flavor. Once it’s get over ripe it’s become more flavorful. Last year Zills picked them way too early and I wasn’t sweet.
Coconut cream is a mix of coconut, citrus and mango flavor. An over ripe Coco cream is garbage. Once coconut cream mangos perfectly ripe, then you have only 18 hours or less to eat or you have to refrigerate to lock the flavor.

Frog Valley Farm · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2020, 02:10:45 PM »

Seems Sugar Loaf has staying power. That’s good to know since we have 30 Zills Sugar Loaf Trees planted out and all survived. I think the largest is just barely over 5’ now but they were tiny 12” trees and we do not water Mangos. It would be nice to go a little deeper and get taste tests done on fruits grown using different management practices. Satya’s videos are the only ones that even touch on the subject. I think Butter Cream is right up with Sugar Loaf but it’s full potential has not been shown yet. We have about 15 Butter Cream trees, they are much faster growers.

Honest Abe · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2020, 02:57:27 PM »

Buttercream is an apple and sugarloaf is an orange. Both good but way different.

Honest Abe · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2020, 07:38:55 PM »

For me( a greenhorn)
Buttercream is very good, but sugarloaf is EXCELLENT.
Buttercream just lacks the complexity of so many other “top tier mangoes” In my opinion. The buttercream I had from ZHPP this year was a great, rich, butter-textured very sweet mango, but didn’t come close to the sugarloaf’s coconut, pineapple, sweet juicy mango godliness. In my opinion.

halcyonzero · « **Reply #28 on:** October 04, 2020, 12:55:15 PM »

I am dying to have a Sugar Loaf!

Is there anyone that would ship one to California?

Cheers!

bsbullie · « **Reply #29 on:** October 04, 2020, 01:01:34 PM »

Quote from: halcyonzero on October 04, 2020, 12:55:15 PM

I am dying to have a Sugar Loaf!

Is there anyone that would ship one to California?

Cheers!

Season long over in Florida. Your only chance would be a Cali grower.

halcyonzero · « **Reply #30 on:** October 04, 2020, 01:15:08 PM »

Thanks bsbullie. I am actually looking for a plant that I can grow here in California!

palingkecil · « **Reply #31 on:** October 04, 2020, 02:31:41 PM »

Quote from: halcyonzero on October 04, 2020, 01:15:08 PM

Thanks bsbullie. I am actually looking for a plant that I can grow here in California!

Many online nurseries that ship to Cali said they don't carry sugarloaf anymore (I called them).
I found one on ebay, and it is on the way now. Supposedly will be here on Tuesday 10/6. Fingers crossed, if the tree arrives well and healthy, I will let you know which seller I bought it from.

halcyonzero · « **Reply #32 on:** October 04, 2020, 03:34:05 PM »

@palingkecil

Thanks!!!

Looking forward to hear about it!

bovine421 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 04, 2020, 05:04:41 PM »

Quote from: palingkecil on October 04, 2020, 02:31:41 PM

Quote from: halcyonzero on October 04, 2020, 01:15:08 PM
Thanks bsbullie. I am actually looking for a plant that I can grow here in California!
Many online nurseries that ship to Cali said they don't carry sugarloaf anymore (I called them).
I found one on ebay, and it is on the way now. Supposedly will be here on Tuesday 10/6. Fingers crossed, if the tree arrives well and healthy, I will let you know which seller I bought it from.

Congratulations! Keep us posted on her condition.

palingkecil · « **Reply #34 on:** October 09, 2020, 07:04:11 PM »

It arrives today. They ship on Monday as I requested so the tree does not spend weekend in the warehouse.
They wrapped the soil neatly in the plastick bag, so it is not bare root.
About 3.5 ft tall. I suspect it was bigger/taller but they cut it for shipment, since there is a fresh cut on the top.
Overall, not a bad tree.

bovine421 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 09, 2020, 07:25:25 PM »

It looks really good nice and green

palingkecil · « **Reply #36 on:** October 09, 2020, 09:00:45 PM »

Quote from: bovine421 on October 09, 2020, 07:25:25 PM

It looks really good nice and green

Thanks! How old was your sugar loaf when it bear fruit for the first time?

Frog Valley Farm · « **Reply #37 on:** October 10, 2020, 08:43:13 AM »

Sugar Loaf seedlings have the nicest new foliage. No watering and a little fresh organic grass fed cow manure. Managed for Soil health.

bovine421 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 10, 2020, 11:13:34 AM »

Quote from: palingkecil on October 09, 2020, 09:00:45 PM

Quote from: bovine421 on October 09, 2020, 07:25:25 PM
It looks really good nice and green

Thanks! How old was your sugar loaf when it bear fruit for the first time?

my Sugarloaf was planted as a 3-gallon and has been in the ground for two seasons I will let you know how flowering season goes . Your tree looks really good I think you're going to be off to a good start. Here is a celebratory Dance GIF to celebrate your new tree.

My Sugarloaf

bsbullie · « **Reply #39 on:** October 10, 2020, 05:12:27 PM »

Sugar Loaf aka E4 tend to take time/age before setting fruit. For the first few years of flowering (they seem to flower heavily) they tend to send male flowers.

palingkecil · « **Reply #40 on:** October 10, 2020, 07:13:16 PM »

Cute cow! @frogvalleyfarms.
@bovine421, your sugar loaf looks very healthy and has nice branches.
@bsbullie Is sugar loaf a good producer once they start producing?

Frog Valley Farm · « **Reply #41 on:** October 12, 2020, 12:36:30 PM »

1 of our Zills Grafted Sugar Loaf trees from the original post dated 11.16.18, most have flowered 1x. This tree is about 6x5’ today, should be flowering again in just a few months. The new growth on our grafted Zills trees is considerably lighter than new growth on our Sugar Loaf seed grown trees.

Grafted Sugar Loaf

Sugar Loaf seedling.

SHV · « **Reply #42 on:** October 12, 2020, 03:54:22 PM »

Interesting, the new foliage on my seedling Sugarloaf mango is also dark red. I thought I had seen other pictures of grafted E4/Sugarloaf mango trees on this forum with the golden/bronze colored leaves on new growth like what I get on my Lemonzest mango tree. Can someone else confirm what we should see for new leaf color?

Seanny · « **Reply #43 on:** October 12, 2020, 04:27:11 PM »

mbmango · « **Reply #44 on:** October 12, 2020, 04:45:42 PM »

The color is possibly sunscreen. Trees on the west side of my house that only get sun past noon have less intense coloration on new growth than those on the south side. They tend towards bronze vs red or purple. Pushes from lower, shaded branches are also less colored than terminal exposed pushes. Nutrient availability may also play a role, as neglected plants or straggler buds in a given flush push weaker paler growth.

bsbullie · « **Reply #45 on:** October 12, 2020, 05:33:45 PM »

Quote from: mbmango on October 12, 2020, 04:45:42 PM

The color is possibly sunscreen. Trees on the west side of my house that only get sun past noon have less intense coloration on new growth than those on the south side. They tend towards bronze vs red or purple. Pushes from lower, shaded branches are also less colored than terminal exposed pushes. Nutrient availability may also play a role, as neglected plants or straggler buds in a given flush push weaker paler growth.

Certain varieties naturally have red, gold/bronze and shades of green for their new growth

Frog Valley Farm · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2020, 06:14:58 AM »

Yes i agree Rob, I noticed different trees have different new growth. I do believe nutrients probably play a role in Mango leaf color intensity. I do not believe it is caused by the sun since some of our seedling Sugar Loaf trees are growing in both mostly shade and more sun, the same dark foliage. I have found our trees with the most intense dark foliage have produced for me a higher quality fruit, like Sweet Tart. The color varies with management practices. We will see if this trend continues into 2021 season. Florida Fall foliage.

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Author Topic: Zills top tier Mango Sugar Loaf (Read 12669 times)