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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: persimmon collectors?
« on: November 22, 2020, 06:12:30 PM »
I was thinking maybe the coffee or chocolate ones or something like that.  We have a Fuyu tree.  I like ones that dont have to be mush to eat.

I never tried Coffee Cake or Chocolate persimmons, but I heard they are very good. According to Dave Wilson website ( ), Chocolate persimmon is astringent until ripe, and Coffee Cake is non-astringent but needs a pollinator (e.g. Chocolate persimmon).

I ordered scionwood for both from Fruitwood nursery ( ). They have many other varieties as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: October 12, 2020, 02:18:19 AM »
Great thread, simon_grow!

I just planted my Sweet Tart and CAC seedlings in the ground. I put the seeds in pots almost 3 months ago.
Sweet Tart seed produced 3 seedlings. CAC seed produced 6+ seedlings.
In both cases, I planted 2 strongest seedlings in the same hole.

Sweet Tart seedlings before planting:

Sweet Tart seedlings after planting:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: August 07, 2020, 12:54:43 AM »
My reed tree set fruit for the first time this year.  They're sizing up quickly. Already baseball size. I should be harvesting them next year right? Is that normal? For them to get so large so fast? It's on toro canyon rootstock.

Your tree looks big. Yes, the fruit will ripen in a year.
You can check 2-year time lapse of my Reed and Lamb Hass avocado trees:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: August 02, 2020, 12:02:40 AM »
The Orange Sherbet has the slightly wavy leaf edges and is grafted on Manila, so I believe it will fruit true. Same with the Guava and the PPK, all grafted on Manila by Frank. I have no idea why the Guava and Orange Sherbet didn't flower this year, just lucky I guess.

The Turpentine rootstock is a seedling of course, so it makes sense that it didn't flower this year, and I'm sure it will eventually produce Turpentine-like fruit.

I agree that planting a seed is the best way to go, and I have a Buttercream seedling in the ground in a greenhouse just out of frame of the Orange Sherbet picture, which will hopefully overtake all three grafted mangos in time.

Good idea to use a mini greenhouse for a young mango seedling! I might try it when it gets colder.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: August 01, 2020, 07:46:16 PM »
You have a good selection of subtropicals. How old are your mango trees?

I bought the Guava, PPK and Orange Sherbet mangos from Frank (JF) in May 2019. They put out a bit of vegetative growth later that summer, but the Guava and Orange Sherbet are on their first major flush right now, with no blooms in sight, which is pretty incredible, considering they received no winter protection. Unfortunately, the PPK decided to bloom in May, and has no shown no signs of wanting to grow further.

The Turpentine is actually the water sprouts off of a Pickering that I picked up from Champa or Mimosa in 2017 (Florida rootstock). The Pickering didn't do well so I let the Turpentine rootstock take off and it's done surprisingly well (good shape, no drooping or flowering). I'll probably graft on SweetTart at some point in the future.

First picture is of my Orange Sherbet, the second is my Turpentine.

Nice looking mango trees! Since Orange Sherbet is polyembryonic, could your tree be grown from seed? That would explain why it doesn't flower yet (a good thing!). The same applies to Turpentine mango.

Grafted mango trees definitely bloom a lot and have about one flush of growth after the bloom. As discussed in this forum, we should only plant seedlings and let them grow to the size we like. Then graft, if needed.

I planted one 5 galon Manila seedling last year and one this year. I also planted 2 Sweet Tart seeds and 2 CAC seeds. The seeds just sprouted. These are polyembryonic varieties as well, so no grafting is necessary.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: August 01, 2020, 05:15:34 PM »
Fellow Santa Barbarian here! I'm in the San Roque area and have had a decent amount of luck with sub-tropicals.

Reliable Fruiting Success: Goldfinger banana (FHIA-01), Fredericks passionfruit, strawberry guava, lemon guava, Nazemetz and Coolidge pineapple guava.

Good vegetative growth but no fruit (yet): Orange Sherbet, Guava and Turpentine mangos, Honeyhart and seedling cherimoyas, Surinam cherry.

Poor vegetative growth + over-flowering or death: Sweetheart lychee, Biew Kiew longan, Pickering and PPK mango, grafted black sapote (Black Beauty from Florida).   

Too soon to see: seedling jaboticaba, seedling eugenias and seedling mangos from trade with a fellow TFF forum member.

You have a good selection of subtropicals. How old are your mango trees?

The following subtropicals fruited for me so far:

Avocado (Reed, Lamb Hass, Kona Sharwil)
Banana (Dwarf Namwah)
Grumichama (Eugenia brasiliensis)
Lemon Guava
Longan (Kohala)
Passion Fruit (Frederick)
Pineapple Guava (Nazemetz, Mammoth, Coolidge)
Star Fruit (Arkin)
Tropical Guava (Beaumont Red)

The following fruit trees of different varieties also fruit well for me: apple, fig, apricot, aprium, plum, peach, persimmon, loquat, pomegranate, mulberry, citrus, grape, blueberries.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: July 31, 2020, 11:40:03 PM »
Have you had any flowers or fruits with the black sapote?
My potted tree had 100+ fruits but all fell off. I' ve heard conflicting reports of black sapote needing, or not, a  2nd tree for pollination.

I have a grafted black sapote that flowers profusely but barely grows. It is a tough one to get vegetative growth on due to all the flowering. My understanding is that most trees are either female or male and you will need to graft the other gender on for cross pollination, or have another around. The one I have is from Papaya Tree and Alex's tree is large and produces heavily. It is probably 50 years old. He doesn't have another around for cross pollination, so one can infer that it isn't totally necessary for at least some cultivars.

I didn't know grafted black sapote grow very slowly. I just went and removed all 25+ flowers on my newly planted Bernecker black sapote. Hopefully this will stimulate some growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: July 31, 2020, 09:03:35 PM »
Are you trapping the gophers?  I would suggest getting gophenator traps and using them until the gophers are gone.  Ive got my orchard completely cleared right now.  Killed around 30 this year, havent lost any plants since really getting on top of them.  As soon as you see mounds, go set 3 or 4 traps.

Congratulations on your success! Gophenator is hit and miss for me and a little sketchy to set. My FAVORITE is the Gopher Hawk. Boy are they effective. Try a couple and you'll fall in love with
the accuracy and ease of use. The only downside is sometimes predators will run away with them. Otherwise, it's the best and I've tried almost all of them.

I also like Gopher Hawk traps. They are effective. I wish they lasted longer than 1-2 years. Thin metal springs holding the bottom ring rust quickly. There is no way to repair it once one of the springs breaks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: July 29, 2020, 09:39:28 PM »
4' gopher baskets sound excessive. Don't worry about gopher baskets strangling root growth. Once I had to remove a capulin tree growing for 3 years in a 3' wide basket from 1/2" hardware cloth. I saw 2" diameter roots growing through the 1/2" mesh as if the mesh was not there.
If you still worry, you could use 3/4" hardware mesh. I got a roll of it once. It is much easier to work with, but much more expensive.
If your gophers tend to hop into the baskets, make sure the baskets extend 6" above the ground.

As Brad said, trapping is important. I also take care of new gopher arrivals as soon as I see a new mound. I probably tpap 6 - 12 gophers per year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: July 27, 2020, 10:59:53 PM »
I plant everything in gopher baskets: 1 to 3 feet wide and 1 to 2 feet deep.
It takes time to plant, but I didn't lose a single tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Santa Barbara Tropical Fruit
« on: July 27, 2020, 05:44:02 PM »
Hi Mark,

I am at 100 ft elevation and 2 miles from the ocean in Santa Barbara.
You can check my YouTube channel:

What is your elevation and distance from the ocean?
Have you tried growing mango trees?


This is a great thread, very informative!

A couple of weeks ago I got two La Verne Manila seedling trees.
The potting soil La Verne uses for mango trees is very bad. My two trees had pure wood shavings in the bottom 80% of the pot. The pots were topped with wood chips and some traces of sand.
There were very little roots in the wood shavings and they were all black, probably rotting due to the lack of oxygen.
I discarded all of the potting soil and planted one of the trees in the ground and re-potted another one with a good potting mix.

Yesterday, I also planted two de-husked Kent mango seeds in pots.

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