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are they hurting the trees?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: August 07, 2022, 09:29:29 PM »
Just had to rant about this...  Sorry in advance  :D  I noticed theres so many overhyped avocado types.  I tried growing as many as possible and found most to be uninspiring.  Either the flavor is not there, or the tree has bad growth habits, or some other problem.  Many of these are hyped up by the UC breeding program or by the grounds keepers at the UC Irvine grove.  And some have just been around forever and for some reason people keep propogating them even though theres much better options  ???

My chainsaw has been getting a real workout lately.  Heres a short list of ones that have had a date with the chipper.

Mexicola Grande
Jim Bacon
Sir Prize
Jan Boyce
Party time
Coleen Davis

And theres more that will likely be chopped down and turned into saw dust after I waste a few more seasons on them as well !  ;D  :P

Fuerte is a classic. I thought people generally liked that variety. Why don't you like it? Here in my part of Peru it is the only other grafted option besides Hass that the local nurseries provide.

fuerte tastes pretty good but the skin is thin and the tree is massive.  And it has sporatic fruit set here.  it can set tons of fruit one year then go many years little to no fruit.  I think hass is better in every regard.  just my opinion.  Theres a reason they are no longer grown commercially here. 

sometimes its the tree and fruiting habit etc, sometimes its the fruit thats the problem.  Fuertes problems have more to do with the tree than the fruit. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Reed avocado thread
« on: August 06, 2022, 11:26:47 PM »
i think they take about 8-9 days

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: August 06, 2022, 01:14:38 PM »
i think you are right, reed is slightly better than nabal. 

GEM, lamb, sir prize are all inferrior to regular hass and gwen.  Just my honest opinion.

GEM is a nice tree and makes loads of fruit.  BUT once the fruit sits on your counter and gets soft they look terrible and then you eat it and oil level is just not there and the flesh color is slighty off.  Soes not have the same nice green color of hass.

im going to do a video where I show these trees and I chop them all down. 

Better call them and make sure its in stock.  Those guys dont always have a lot of stuff in stock

Which store are you shopping at?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted: Hass avocado scions
« on: August 05, 2022, 04:58:18 PM »
I think lamb is not a great fruit.  Its a bad substitute for regular hass.  Yeah it does grow and produce well and fruit can be passed off as hass but they are really a B grade imposter IMO.  I think you are better off with reed for late season fruit.

Carmen is a hass tree that has a mutation that makes it fruit more.  The fruit and everything else look and taste exactly like regular hass. 

I have the sharwil and lamb and carmen and hass and whatever other ones available.  I would really prefer take cuttings in january though.  This really is not the right time to do grafting unless you are pretty skilled at it.  You can just graft right away around mid to late January and the scions will heal nicely and start growing in March.

I have found that sharwil and reed can be grafted in January and hass should be done in February about 1 month later than the others. 

I would say come get the scions but its like 3 hours south to where I live from san fernando.

You should thin the fruit so that they are not right next to one another.  Keep the best looking ones and the ones further down the brqnches so thry are not hanging far out. 

The plants look like thry are being watered well.  They dont need tons of water or fertilizer.  Just an occasional fertilize with avocado/citrus type food or something else well rounded. 

My experience is they dont really self thin.  I saw other people say they do but has not been the case here.  What I saw was they are just smaller fruit if not thinned. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vent Session - Tree Trimmers
« on: August 05, 2022, 04:26:44 PM »

Sorry my dry humor doesn't come accross electronic media well.

I certainly not serious that he should go to court or call la mgra.  That was a joke. 

I picked up on it. Never thought you were serious 8)

When you speak with their insurance company you can tell them this one is the ultra rare variegated one that people pay 500$ per cutting for on ebay. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Reed avocado thread
« on: August 05, 2022, 02:49:04 PM »
Thats because of the latitude like you are saying.  Not as much heat and sunshine as here.  Wait until October.  Hopefully they are ready by your cold season otherwise its going to be a 2 year deal to ripen them.  You are probably better off growing types with a shorter span like Carmen. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Reed avocado thread
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:55:56 PM »
It should be ready to pick now.  Thry are tasting amazing.  Having one with corn ship and hot sauce for breakfast today.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vent Session - Tree Trimmers
« on: August 05, 2022, 01:56:09 AM »
spaugh, I'm not a lawyer and am not playing one on a fruit forum, but I do believe--from watching People's Court--Small Claims doesn't deal in mental anguish, pain and suffering compensation

Sorry my dry humor doesn't come accross electronic media well.

I certainly not serious that he should go to court or call la mgra.  That was a joke. 

Shit happens.  The tree trimmers Im sure didnt mean to hit your stuff.  It sucks but on the grand scheme of things its small stuff.  Ask the neighbor if they can try to have the trimmers not let it happen again and forget about it.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted: Hass avocado scions
« on: August 04, 2022, 10:24:22 PM »
Where do you live?  If you want to come get some hass scions I will give you some.  But winter and early spring is the better time to do avocado grafting. 

Hass is king for a reason too my friend.  It still kills most of the overhyped stuff out there.  I think maybe Carmen is a good option too.  It seems to fruit even more profusely than hass.   Its basically a mutation of hass the fruits more.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vent Session - Tree Trimmers
« on: August 04, 2022, 01:35:31 PM »
Small claims court, 5000$ compensation for mental anguish, pain, and suffering.   And then call La Migra on them after you get the 5 grand.   :P

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overhyped avocados
« on: August 03, 2022, 08:34:26 PM »
I just wanted to throw it out here that although lamb is a great growing tree and makes loads of fruit, the fruit just are not that great.  Very annoying to have to top work so many trees.  Especially ones that are patented and hyped up. 

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Nursery Pots San Diego area
« on: August 02, 2022, 11:38:26 AM »
I have more tall pots for sale.  Planted everything I wanted to plant and am getting rid of the pots. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit party?
« on: August 02, 2022, 10:12:59 AM »
Nice seeing everyone.  Was nice to have a smaller group this time.  Someone left a bluish gray water bottle here.  Let me know if its yours. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted 2 years old avocado tree.
« on: July 29, 2022, 07:21:09 PM »
If you grew it from seed, it could take (many) years. I have a tree started from seed in 2014, the trunk is thicker than fence post, nothing but vegetative flushes, so far.

If you cut a ful circle around the trunk and sever the cambium with a razor its supposed to induce bloom the following spring.  October is supposed to be the time to do it.  Ive never done it but gray martin told me to do this and he has grown thousands of avocadomseedlings looking for new types.

I assume the original posters tree is grafted since it says grafted.  It should make fruit by year 4 at the latest if its a grafted variety that does well(fruits) there. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: July 29, 2022, 10:39:47 AM »
coco does suck up water really easy.  i wouldnt worry about the salts for a pineapple plant.  you can use pretty much anything for pineapple plants.  you really want it to drain well which coco doesnt do but a little wont hurt. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fuerte Graft
« on: July 28, 2022, 08:03:44 PM »
Its better to just pick 1 bud.  Trust me it may feel wrong or feel like risk taking but its definitely the way to do it. 

I would cut the bottom branch off.  And cut right above the 2nd lowest branch to remove the top 2 buds. 

When you leave 1 bud, it will grow way faster. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: July 28, 2022, 04:15:25 PM »
I agree, grow bags dry too quickly.

To rehydrate any pots that get too dry, you want to put them in a water tray with an inch of water and let it soak up from the bottom while watering from the top also.  Drain the traiy and keep repeating until its wet again.  Sometimes you think its getting water but only the top half an inch is wet because its so hydrophobic.  Peat is the worst for that. 

On nectarine, you can just chop the tree way back down to almost a stump and it will come right back.  Its work but if you want to put in that work its easy enough to cut the tree back every 2 or 3 years. 

Looks like it needs way more mulch and water and less fertilizer.   Shade cloth also.

This sounds like a bad idea to be honest.  I think 2 in 1 hole thing is kind of setting up for failur to be honest.  Not trying to pee in your cheerios its just not a great idea.  Im sure theres some youtube videos somewhere that say otherwise but these trees get big and need their own space.  Like a couple meters at least. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My SoCal banana growing experience
« on: July 25, 2022, 03:07:21 PM »
Its really hard to tell for certain what you have with bananas but yours may be namwahs.  Namwah have thin peels and dense fruit and need to get pretty ripe.  Blue java goes mushy if left to turn brown.  I think the namwahs are better fruit.  The rack in your last picture does look like namwahs. 

This one was a tall namwah

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