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Hi Jack, yes, the yellow sapote from you tastes very good. I also got to try the Clytia fruits and I think that was even better. I have one more Clytia fruit (small one) I picked and will try it soon.

So far, the C. tetrameria #6 is growing slowly and I have not had any fruits on those grafts yet.

I do agree with you about the rootstock and using the C. edulis rootstock and grafting with C. tetrameria. I have some seedling rootstocks (from CSUF arboretum fruits) of both C. edulis and C. tetrameria. The large seedling tree I had growing in my son's yard was the McDill seedling, that tree grew over 20 ft and trunk grew large (5-8" diameter) in 7 years. On that tree, I grafted most of my 34 white sapote varieties except the C. tetrameria.

At my yard, I had the same seedlings from CSUF of the McDill and Yellow Sapote, but these were grafted earlier (3-4 yr old seedlings) with a combination of C. tetrameria and C. edulis varieties (24 total). All four of these trees have never grown taller than 10 feet, and the trunk size has stayed smaller (2", 2",3", & 4" diameter). So, it does make sense to graft them at an early age with the Casimiroa tetrameria to keep the tree smaller.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kishus Are Doing Well This Year!
« on: November 25, 2023, 03:52:09 PM »
Wow, nice tree Kevin, I like the Kishus a lot, but don't get many like yours.

I agree with Jonah, this is the best place. I got all of my 34 varieties (now 26) from our forum members. Jonah got me started with many of my white sapotes, then got the rest from our senior members here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Happy Thanksgiving !!!
« on: November 23, 2023, 09:05:27 AM »
Ryan started this post last year so I'll start it for 2023.

"With this year almost to a close, maybe we could share what we are thankful for in regards to tropical fruits"


1) I'm thankful for the new fruit friends I made along the way this year and tasted some new fruits like the wampee (Al), pinapple guava (Nate), Angelito fig (Thera), Pipino fruits, Crystal seedless guava (Max).

2) Learning from some fruit experts in the field, Max, Thien, Al, Nate, Thera, Johnny, and many others here on this forum.

3) Very thankful to my knee surgeon who fixed me up and now I'm back to easily climbing ladders and digging out large trees again.

Happy Thanksgiving folks.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there dwarf loquats
« on: November 23, 2023, 08:49:07 AM »
Akin, yes, I did the same thing on KT26, it is a seedling of Vista White and the fruit tastes good. But I also grafted a few more of my excellent varieties on this tree so she will get 3 very good tasting fruits on this tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there dwarf loquats
« on: November 23, 2023, 07:23:45 AM »
"I had a big in the ground.  But after 8 years in ground with no flowers and the past 2 years, about 30% die back, I decided to axe and plant something more productive."

Don't kill your larger tree, just cut it down to the height you want and a few feet more, then wait until you get new shoots or do a bark graft on the stumped tree with some good varieties from me or other forum members here. This way you can get fruits in 1-2 yrs just like an adult loquat tree would fruit, in 2 years after grafting that tree will give you many fruits faster than any new tree you plant. If you want it in a larger pot, just dig it out after your grafted scion wood is growing (1-2 ft).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there dwarf loquats
« on: November 23, 2023, 07:18:48 AM »
I agree with the quince rootstock for dwarfing as mentioned. I hear of many people using it since it grows slowly, trunk doesn't grow fast like a loquat seedling.

But, all my purchased quince seedling trees are still too small to graft after 1 year, and the one I used to graft my loquat is still not growing much so I went back to my old method for growing loquats in a pot.

Here's the trick I use which is very similar to what is described above by tropicaltoba.

"Andrew, I grew loquat seedlings for 6 years in a 20 gallon pot before it finally flowered. I bought 2 1 gallon cultivars and grew them in a 2 gallon pot for 1 year before they flowered (forced flowering in spring) and then potted them up to a 10 gallon."

If you want to grow loquats in pots and keep it in 10-15 gallon pot to fruit, here's what I will do. Just plant the tree or purchase one in a 5 gallon size pot, put the pot on ground so if the tree is vigorous and grows roots through the pot holes, they can escape and go into the ground which will let the tree grow good and strong, and should fruit quickly. For my seedling trees, I do this on any that I'm trying to taste the first fruit for evaluation to keep or top work it. Seedlings should fruit in 4-7yrs.

Once the tree fruits, or if you need to move your tree around, just take a shovel and cut off the roots outside of the pot, tree will be fine. If you want to permanently keep it in a pot, just up pot from 5 gallon to 15 gallon after you get fruits. I think I have most of my starter loquat trees this way and they all fruit just as quickly as the ones growing in-ground. Some of my best/top loquats (KT11-Lisa, KT18-Kim, KT13-Maddox, KT25-Keiko) are still growing in the 5 a gallon pots with escaped roots. These trees that are in pots are over 10 ft tall and doing fine since the roots are already in the ground. If I want to move it or give the mother tree away, I just cut off the roots outside of the pots at the length I want for new transplanting in someone's yard. These varieties mentioned above are in my top 10 best tasting.

I plan to give a loquat tree away for a Christmas present (KT26-Marilynn) so I will dig it out of the ground (still in pot) and take it over to the persons house to transplant next week. I can take a few photos of the size of the tree and how I trim the roots before transplanting if anyone is interested in this method.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: closed
« on: November 20, 2023, 03:08:29 PM »

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fuyu Persimmon Tree- Broke In Half
« on: November 19, 2023, 10:22:41 PM »
Ok, good.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Help! Meyer Lemon Trees Unhappy
« on: November 19, 2023, 04:50:17 AM »
I agree with Brian's comments, and I would also cut off all the fruits, it is stressing that skinny tree. Give it some (slightly) fertilizer and it should be fine. You may need to cut down some of the wimpy branches so it can grow stronger new one.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kumquats seedlings dying
« on: November 19, 2023, 04:43:27 AM »
I would put them in larger pots, then less issues. Looks like mold, drying out, or too much moisture, can't tell until you pull it out a seedling from those small starter pots.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What is this street tree in uptown Oakland?
« on: November 14, 2023, 11:04:51 AM »
Nice, it is an Etrog, a type of citron (citrus medica).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cocktail Pummelo tree (Mandalo)
« on: November 14, 2023, 07:00:59 AM »
Can you see the difference in fruit texture, the first photo I posted above of the 30 fruits on my mother tree has the bumpy or rougher texture. These recent photos of the fruits on the Lane Late tree have the smooth skin like Ckitto fruits.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cocktail Pummelo tree (Mandalo)
« on: November 14, 2023, 06:57:23 AM »
Ok, I found the photos of the 3 year old grafted Cocktail tree. The tree is a Lane Late navel orange, probably grafted on semi-dwf rootstock from the nursery. The Lane Late navel tree has been in ground for about 5 years and the heigh was about 4 ft and had good large fruits.  I grafted the Cocktail grapefruit scion wood so the tree can grow taller.

After I grafted it with Cocktail, the tree grew over 7 ft from the graft union, and this year it had so many large fruits, I had to thin half the fruits, then put 10 six-foot metal stakes and some eight-foot wooden stakes to hold the weight of the branches. Most of these branches were touching the ground from the weight of the fruits.




I have already decided on which ones will be grafted. Those who answered in the time frame I asked for will be the first to order, no others are on my list.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ruby longan doesn’t fruit in California?
« on: November 13, 2023, 12:19:42 PM »
The small plant I have had a nice red fruit when I got it, taste was good, same as normal ones.




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