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I bow to Master Adam's wisdom 8) 8) 8)Thank you for posting ;)

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Great, we should write a resume, a general method... I will be able to graft some scions from fruiting jabos into 2 sabaras I have... should I wait till spring to do it? (in the greenhouse there is a lot of humidity and temps now go from 2º C to 35º C in winter, but I can get 15º c min near the stove)

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Huertas,

you can graft them as long as temps don't really go below 35-38F...it's probably better to keep them above 40F..but I graft them all year long (in zone 9b), and bring some into the green house during winter...just protect them from cold dry winds...and of course temps close to freezing.

some of the more cold sensitive varieties (like Camu camu, or blue jabo)will probably have less success when temps fall below 45F.
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Genial!, Then I can graft them throughout the year.

I will very soon, this week they sent me Jaboticaba scions that can be m. coronata or m. cauliflora: what is the minimum diameter and the ideal diameter of a scion for grafting on a 4 years old sabara rootstock?

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well...that all depends on several factors.

how large is the 4 yr old tree?
(I would try to graft as low as possible, with the largest diameter scion possible...about .5-.75 inch thick)

if this is your first attempt at grafting, I'm guessing it will be difficult for you to use scions so thick...I would recommend using some about .25-.5 inch thick, and you can use scions even smaller...but for smaller scions, it's best to use a smaller rootstock.
Also using smaller scions is great for replicating a tree, without having to wait for seeds, but it's not so good for increasing precocity..this is why it's advantageous to use very thick mature scions (of certain species that flower on the caulis), in some cases it can help reduce the time it takes a tree to reach fruition by almost half or more.







Genial!, Then I can graft them throughout the year.

I will very soon, this week they sent me Jaboticaba scions that can be m. coronata or m. cauliflora: what is the minimum diameter and the ideal diameter of a scion for grafting on a 4 years old sabara rootstock?
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Great info, can't wait for your big screen debut. 

All right Mr. DeMille, he is ready for his close-up!

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well my friends the day has come...

here is a brief tutorial demonstrating some grafting techniques for Myrciaria....(which can be applied to Plinia and Eugenia...and other plants).

sorry there are probably some details that I've left out, but you should be able to get the basic idea.

this video turned out to be more difficult to make than I had anticipated...i had plans to make it much more detailed...but it would have taken me a long time to finish.  Maybe in the future we will make another video with all of the information that I'd like to include.....but for now I think this free video will be helpful for those who want to learn how to graft Jaboticabas!

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2014, 06:24:03 PM »
One of the best videos I saw in the year !, the introduction has a sort of quiet humor, and the development  about how to graft is very educational.

Still can not find what you mean with buddy tape, here in Argentina do not know what else would be similar to buddy tape; other conclusion I have drawn is that I have to buy a good knife ...

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2014, 07:31:52 PM »
Great video Adam! Very informative and detailed.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2014, 08:23:55 PM »
Two thumbs up!!!  Thanks for taking the time to do this Adam.  I think one of your side comments is what I have been doing wrong, tying too tightly.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2014, 10:39:45 PM »
Excellent video Adam, packed with a lot of information not in the least to mention your MUG, now I'll know you if I ever end up in Florida. Have you every tried keeping your arm that holds your knife braced against your side and pull scion away from you? just another technique  ;) 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2014, 11:05:39 PM »
Really enjoyed your video Adam, it has inspired me to practice! I've tried grafting a few things and only succeeded a couple of times. Loved the finishing technique of twisting the tape. I'm always terrified that I'll cut myself and my wrapping is so clumsy.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2014, 11:52:42 PM »
Awesome grafting porn.
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2014, 06:37:21 PM »
Ahh so sweet! Hippie looking guy feeding a squirrel ;)

Seriously, thanks for the informative video.  By the way, second method is preferred way to graft durians. Theory is, durian very sensitive to humidity, so have some leaves for them to breathe.

Huertas, Adam is using this knife. I had few and gave away as a gift. Very sharp, feels good in hand. Lots of them sold, seems to be very popular one. Cheaper than Amazon link.
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2014, 06:47:54 PM »
Adam Killer job man ! , The intro was cool ;).....
I think you should make it a Series in Grafting Exotics ! ..

Thanks again Ed..
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2014, 07:42:44 PM »
Very nice and instructive youtube video Adam! I downloaded it so I always have it handy.

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2014, 10:46:56 PM »
hey thanks everyone for the positive feedback!

I'm glad people are interested in grafting!!

We have plans to make more short videos...so once we start filming, I will let the forum know.  We've decided to document some of the amazing people, and tropical fruit collections in the state of FL.  So far I've got about 5 individual tropical fruit collectors lined up for an interview and tour of their collection.  It will be nice to have these extraordinary plants and people documented for posterity!


to answer a few questions:

Huertas....i think the victorinox knife is a good choice, but there are also cheaper options.

DurianLover....i was using a knife similar to the one you provided a link for....the one I was using only has 3 rivets, and I got it from AM Leonard....the knife you recommended is a bit different...it has 5 rivets, and I've actually bought one of these as well..I did like the knife except the bevel of the blade was not good...it needed to be adjusted, resharpened to make the bevel a bit flatter..the angle was much to sharp, and I had trouble getting the knife to cut properly.  After resharpening to my liking the knife was much better....and it cost about half as much as the one from AM leonard.

edzone9...yes we will hopefully make a few more videos on grafting ..but I need to pace myself...it could take me a while to get all those videos completed.

scottR....yes i think I know what you're talking about with the cutting technique...when the scions are too thick to cut using my usual method, i do something like what you described. 

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2014, 07:37:09 AM »
Boas Adão,  ;D

Thanks so much for sharing this vid on grafting them jabs with us...the vid is top notch to watch and very informative, as usual.  8)

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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2014, 09:55:58 AM »
Is it important the copper back of the knife to remove bark? I just do not get the victorinox with that back of copper, but can get the Bahco with that part of copper....

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« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2014, 04:39:15 PM »
Huertas,

there are plenty of good options!  Just make sure the knife is for grafting, and beveled on one side (for right handed use, unless you are left handed...and I'm not sure where to get a lefty knife)

also, here is a knife that I like...it looks like a good deal too, because the lot had a minor defect...it shouldn't detract from the performance of the knife though.  So maybe this is a good choice?  the seller seems legit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antonini-Professional-Grafting-Budding-Knife-Wood-Handle-65mm-/221446100281?pt=US_Hand_Tools&hash=item338f375539

here is a link to amazon selling the same brand of knife, full price without defect...although the style is different

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DTI8NBS/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00DT9ZD7O&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=13Z4T31M04J630HQ1G5D


and here is an ebay link for buddy tape!
also Behl (forum member sells this on the for sale section!  maybe cheaper through Behl if he ships internationally!)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Buddy-Tape-for-Grafting-by-Aglis-Made-in-Japan-/121257080382?pt=US_Garden_Tools&var=&hash=item1c3b7c363e
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« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2014, 07:32:34 PM »
Beautiful job Adam , after watching the video I started sharpening my grafting knife....I still have a question : I only have mature ( fruiting ) Sabaras and Precose , my aureana is also mature ( 3 to 4 meters tall ) but just don't want to fruit . I am so desperate that I ordered Aureana seeds from different sources , guess what no germination at all ....what the ^%$&* is the problem with this variety ?

After grafting fruiting sabara wood on sabara seedling how fast do you think I can expect fruit ? Would be nice to have small fruiting jabs .
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2014, 10:36:49 PM »
thanks Luc!

i think the fastest you can get a Sabara to fruit is in about 2.5yrs from grafting...and you won't really get a decent crop until about 4-5 yrs from grafting.

i've seen someone graft a mature sabara scion onto a branch of a large tree, and it produced fruits within 1 year...but this is just one isolated branch...I've never seen a small seedling that was grafted do this....no matter how large the scion is.

So the fastest myrciarias to bear will still take about 2-3 yrs to get any fruits...and some will take much longer, (like truncilfora), but grafting still should cut the time it takes to reach fruition in half!

Beautiful job Adam , after watching the video I started sharpening my grafting knife....I still have a question : I only have mature ( fruiting ) Sabaras and Precose , my aureana is also mature ( 3 to 4 meters tall ) but just don't want to fruit . I am so desperate that I ordered Aureana seeds from different sources , guess what no germination at all ....what the ^%$&* is the problem with this variety ?

After grafting fruiting sabara wood on sabara seedling how fast do you think I can expect fruit ? Would be nice to have small fruiting jabs .
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Re: Learn to graft Myrciaria here, free instructional video!
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2014, 11:59:38 PM »
Hi, when should I remove the tape? 1 month? 2 months?