Jaboticabaholics Anonymous

[FlyingFoxFruits]

being that i'm a FL fruit grower I think they're cute and furry!

but I'm sure I'd have a different outlook if I was from Oz!

it's interesting to see how different cultures regard bats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Bats_in_human_culture

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/cairns/bats-earn-permanent-home-in-cairns-cbd-after-council-backflip/story-fnjpusyw-1227453077384

The bats cause many battles in my home town such as this in today's local rag.

All very funny! I'm sure that in Florida everyone would be taking shots at these bats. Second ammendment and roaming fruit predatory wildlife don't mix very well. Floridians certainly aren't very tolerant of squirrels, with rallying cry of: "Death to all squirrels". So what do you think would happen if these bats that Adam so desperately wants a photo of appeared in Florida?  Bat soup anyone?

[Mike T]

There are dozens of types of microbats here but the flying foxes get all the attention because they are big and in your face, and in your garden every night.Tube nosed fruit bats and ghost bats are spectacular but no one knows what they look like and to most locals bats are just flying foxes.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

There are dozens of types of microbats here but the flying foxes get all the attention because they are big and in your face, and in your garden every night.Tube nosed fruit bats and ghost bats are spectacular but no one knows what they look like and to most locals bats are just flying foxes.

well...you could say they are addicted to tropical fruit...so I guess I have much in common with the flying fox.

and one of their jobs is to pick fruits, and disperse seeds!  they deliver seeds all around, and help to plant forests!

and make shrill noises, and crap on peoples heads! 

[fruitlovers]

being that i'm a FL fruit grower I think they're cute and furry!

but I'm sure I'd have a different outlook if I was from Oz!

it's interesting to see how different cultures regard bats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat#Bats_in_human_culture

Do you have squirrels in Australia? If not i'm sure everyone there would think they're cute and furry, maybe even put them on their nursery logo. 
BTW we have one species of bat here, the hoary bat, but very rarely seen.

[Mike T]

No squirrels here but there are kinda marsupial equaivalents.I think that hoary bats are here as well, but there is a big diversity in all sizes and Families.There is a great deal of ambivalence about flying foxes which are really flying primates unlike the microbats that are insectivores.People raise baby F'ing Foxes from injured mothers quite often.They are very common locally but declining nationally.

[Mike T]

Couldn't get a picture of flying foxes on the sabaras and there are loads more to eat still.


This is a small part of one tree.

[ScottR]

Just beautiful pic of your loaded Jabo thanks for posting

[Mike T]

I could fill buckets with all the ripe sabaras on the trees at the moment but the grimal is having a sparse fruiting.It still has flower buds so I expect a grimal follow up crop.Visitors of mine can't make a dent in the jaboticaba volume at the moment.
In the taste test the grimals are a little better and the larger fruit helps.Although the grimal fruit are larger the seeds are smaller so that is a positive as well.

[ScottR]

Do you have a hedge going of many Jabo's or what?

[TheDom]

Got a whole bunch of red jabo seedlings popping up from the FlyingFoxFruits fruit sale. Last time I sprouted red jabo all three of them died once I took the cover off of the seed tray for a few days. This time I'm trying keeping them sheltered a little longer till they're a little hardier.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

looks good Dom.

btw, the dome is not necessary...as long as they are watered daily and kept in the shade, they should be fine!

(but I do like your dome idea, it works out perfect, with the lid acting as a dish.)

[TheDom]

looks good Dom.

btw, the dome is not necessary...as long as they are watered daily and kept in the shade, they should be fine!

(but I do like your dome idea, it works out perfect, with the lid acting as a dish.)

Maybe those ones I started before were wimpy, or the morning sun on the east side of our porch was too much for them early on. Either way, I figured they were protected enough, but I guess not. I figure with as expensive as these was ew usually are it's worth the $5 I spent on the dome to baby them up for a little bit.

[raimeiken]

Hey Adam, I've read before that you use the Espoma holly tone on your fruit trees. I couldn't find the holly tone locally here but I grabbed a bag of the citrus tone (which is about the same but has less sulfur in it). How much and how often would you recommend on a Jaboticaba planted in ground that's about 4-5ft tall? The recommended amount on the back of the bag sounds too much, and I know these trees are sensitive to fertilizers.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Hey Adam, I've read before that you use the Espoma holly tone on your fruit trees. I couldn't find the holly tone locally here but I grabbed a bag of the citrus tone (which is about the same but has less sulfur in it). How much and how often would you recommend on a Jaboticaba planted in ground that's about 4-5ft tall? The recommended amount on the back of the bag sounds too much, and I know these trees are sensitive to fertilizers.

citrus tone is great (almost any of the espoma products will work fine...tomato tone, rose tone, plant tone, garden tone, etc...)

for an in ground plant about 4-5 ft tall...i'd throw out about 4 decent sized handfuls, maybe 3-4 times per year....

I guess you could apply less if you wanted to play it safe!

they don't really need a lot of nitrogen.

I always use about half of what the bag recommends to save money, and to be safe! 

[raimeiken]

Thanks Adam 

[AlexRF]

Alex!
I have the same problem. You irrigate with city water? If yes, you must forget it. I used
earlier pure city water, but it didn't work. Always had chlorosis problem with my plants (citrus trees and coffee was the worst)  So, i used for few years  "managed" city water. I'll tell you how i make it. First leave the water stand for a day. The chlorine is removed. Second I use vinegar essence for pickling. For 10 liter of water 1 teaspoon vinegar essence. From ph 7,5 to pH 6,8 decreases. And I use always a small amount of general fertilizer + small amount chelated Fe.
I know rainwater would be the best, but unfortunately there is no chance. I almost forgot: if you can't use vinegar essence, you can substitute citric acid. In this case for 10 liter of water 10 gramm citric acid.
This method worked my citrus trees and another acid soil loving plants(coffee, orangeberry)

It seems Ataman and Adam was right...
My water from well has too much mineral salts even after filtering. I changed watering of my Jaboticaba on rain water and replaced the 10 cm topsoil on acidic light forest soil.  As result new leaves grows fast and healthy. Moreover it began bloom again and set new fruits.

My first flowering in February probably was induced by powerful LED 50 W lamp (equal 450 W regular lamp). This LED lamp gave supplementary lighting in our dark winter days and stand wery close (1 -1.5 ft) to Jaboticaba trunk. The first flower buds appeared stright opposite the lamp.
Also could act infrared radiation from the lamp.
Just a guess...

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Alex,

thanks for letting me know it was due to the water quality.

congratulations on your fruits setting!

each year the production should increase more and more!

the tree can fruit almost any time of the year!

seems like the largest crops are in Spring, Fall, and Winter....during the hottest part of the year (late summer/fall) they take a break.

[John Travis]

Hello All,

This thread is fantastic.

[Cassio]

To the Jaboticabaholics: In august, 28, Helton published news about the brown jaboticaba:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2Fpliniamarqueteana.htm&edit-text=

[FlyingFoxFruits]

thanks for the update Cassio!

looks like the pulp is nice and thick, kind of like M. vexator...maybe it's an illusion though.

To the Jaboticabaholics: In august, 28, Helton published news about the brown jaboticaba:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.colecionandofrutas.org%2Fpliniamarqueteana.htm&edit-text=

[greenman62]

Thought i would post mine.
Here is the red i got from Adam a few months ago.
When i first got it, i must have given it full sun (almost) right away
i guess it didnt liek that, burned a few leaves, but now i water it everyday, and its looking fine.
next to... Lychee, Cherimoya, black sapote, mimosa, papaya...
July 31


June 13


Here is the one i got from PIN (Cauliflora/Sabra)
the 5 gallon bucket next to   it is a Baobob
(excellent fresh leaves for salads,, cooking etc...)

[FlyingFoxFruits]

all your plants look great Brad, thanks for sharing.

btw, the tree you have labeled as Sabara from PIN is actually another Red jaboticaba!

[simon_grow]

Hey Adam, how difficult is it to air layer Jaboticaba? I have access to a large tree that needs pruning and I would like to take some large air layers but can't find much information on the subject except that it is difficult and can take up to a year. Do you have any tricks that might increase my chances? Thanks,

Simon

[Cassio]

I have access to a large tree that needs pruning and I would like to take some large air layers but can't find much information on the subject except that it is difficult and can take up to a year.
Simon

Simon, I Never tryed it for myself, but I did hear exactly this: air layers are difficult.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Hey Adam, how difficult is it to air layer Jaboticaba? I have access to a large tree that needs pruning and I would like to take some large air layers but can't find much information on the subject except that it is difficult and can take up to a year. Do you have any tricks that might increase my chances? Thanks,

Simon

I know it's possible, but for me it was difficult.

i tried on Sabara, Red, trunciflora, and cambuca.

i could only get nodules to form, but no real roots...this took over 4 months, and something would invariably happen to the marcot...whether it was rats, birds, raccoons, or ants, the plastic seal around the ball of sphagnum peat would always get damaged in the end, and as a result, the moisture levels were not consistent...either too dry or too wet.

i think the trick is using the right medium.  I saw a man in Brazil who used red clay (the native soil), and cotton as a medium...he claimed to get decent results.

also the right cocktail of hormones may be helpful...i just used whatever I had on hand...it was something like K-L-N from Dynagrow