Jaboticabaholics Anonymous

[TheDom]

The other day Matt, Berto and I went out to the FGCU Food Forest to meet some of the new students that would be taking care of the place and give them some pointers on pruning and other general plant care stuff.

They've got a few sabara there in a woefully unpruned state, and I started picking a few dead branches off by hand, and mentioned to Berto that it could use a good pruning. So he picks up some pruners and before the students realize what he's doing, he's got a good half dozen branches off, and the students are all wide-eyed and worried "Wait, wait, what is he doing?" So he goes through and explains the what and why of Plinia pruning, snipping off branches left and right, as the students visibly cringe with every clip of the pruners. This was a few weeks ago and I'm still chuckling about it every time I see a jaboticaba that needs pruning.

[TheDom]

I've got two red jaboticaba that are looking sad and I was wondering if anyone could help me identify what they're lacking. All three had been given a good few handfulls of cottonseed meal about 2-3mos ago. The two sad ones are ub an area that I turned a good few inches of compost in before planting, and mulched heavily, the happier one is in a bed that had been very heavily amended with compost, heavily mulched, and had been that way for a good 2yrs before the jabo was planted there.

The happier one is also shaded from about 1pm on, and protected from the cold, whereas the sad two are full sun most of the day, and less protected from wind and cold.

Have I just been slacking on Fe application? Thanks.

[cbss_daviefl]

If this was in my yard, I would do some chelated iron. If I am making the effort, I always throw in the other micro elements I have on hand as well, magnesium, manganese, and zinc. 

I've got two red jaboticaba that are looking sad and I was wondering if anyone could help me identify what they're lacking. All three had been given a good few handfulls of cottonseed meal about 2-3mos ago. The two sad ones are ub an area that I turned a good few inches of compost in before planting, and mulched heavily, the happier one is in a bed that had been very heavily amended with compost, heavily mulched, and had been that way for a good 2yrs before the jabo was planted there.

The happier one is also shaded from about 1pm on, and protected from the cold, whereas the sad two are full sun most of the day, and less protected from wind and cold.

Have I just been slacking on Fe application? Thanks.

[FlyingFoxFruits]

good advice from Brandon, your trees will respond very well to some chelated Fe, and if needed, some micros.

although this time of year foliage can look drab, regardless of nutritional regimen.

 

If this was in my yard, I would do some chelated iron. If I am making the effort, I always throw in the other micro elements I have on hand as well, magnesium, manganese, and zinc. 

I've got two red jaboticaba that are looking sad and I was wondering if anyone could help me identify what they're lacking. All three had been given a good few handfulls of cottonseed meal about 2-3mos ago. The two sad ones are ub an area that I turned a good few inches of compost in before planting, and mulched heavily, the happier one is in a bed that had been very heavily amended with compost, heavily mulched, and had been that way for a good 2yrs before the jabo was planted there.

The happier one is also shaded from about 1pm on, and protected from the cold, whereas the sad two are full sun most of the day, and less protected from wind and cold.

Have I just been slacking on Fe application? Thanks.

[TheDom]

Excellent, thanks fellas.

[fourseasonsflorida]

Similar question:
I have a small potted Coronata that had a couple nice flushes of leaves over the past few months.  New leaves are twice the size as the old ones and it seems happy overall.  However, the new leaves are a lighter green with pronounced dark green veins. 

What do you all think?  Chelated Iron? Micros? Nitrogen? More acidic soil? A little of everything?

[jabomano]

Put it in a 25 gallon pot full of ProMix and watch it take off. Use Diamond-R 8-4-8 fertilizer with micronutrients also with the iron. Your soil may be way too alkaline for the hybrid.

[fourseasonsflorida]

Put it in a 25 gallon pot full of ProMix and watch it take off. Use Diamond-R 8-4-8 fertilizer with micronutrients also with the iron. Your soil may be way too alkaline for the hybrid.

LOL! It's only in a one gallon pot at the moment and isn't ready to pot up, but I'll keep an eye out for Pro Mix.  Anyone in the Orlando area know where I can get Pro Mix around here?  Walmart and Lowes have it online, but not in any stores in my area.  Also will see if I can find Diamond-R.  Thanks!

[FlyingFoxFruits]

if you are using city water, it's probably not your soil, but your water.

regardless, the easiest solution is to drench with chelated Fe.

Put it in a 25 gallon pot full of ProMix and watch it take off. Use Diamond-R 8-4-8 fertilizer with micronutrients also with the iron. Your soil may be way too alkaline for the hybrid.

LOL! It's only in a one gallon pot at the moment and isn't ready to pot up, but I'll keep an eye out for Pro Mix.  Anyone in the Orlando area know where I can get Pro Mix around here?  Walmart and Lowes have it online, but not in any stores in my area.  Also will see if I can find Diamond-R.  Thanks!

[buddyguygreen]

You can get promix soil at urban sunshine http://www.urbansunshine.com/ there is a location near where you are

[fourseasonsflorida]

Thanks, buddy - called Urban Sunshine and they have both HP and BX.  Sounds like Pro Mix is considered a "soil-less" medium and doesn't really have any nutritional value in it.  So, if I go with it, I will need to fertilize right off the bat.  Suspect chelated Fe is the key here as Adam suggests.

[joehewitt]

Hi, my name is Joe and I am a Jaboticabaholic. I recently went on a bender and got seven Jaboticaba trees and started dozens of seeds. My living room is starting to resemble a Minas Gerais forest with all the trees standing around waiting to go outside. Yesterday my order of Jaboticaba fruit arrived and I could not resist posing the fruit on my Sabara tree to pretend I grew them myself. I need help, fast!

[xshen]

When grafting jaboticabas, I learned that it is OK to get a little greedy and graft much bigger and longer scions that are already fruiting. Here is a thumb size scion over 20 inches long and another one over a foot long with the similar diameter. They're both done with whip grafts this past winter which took about six weeks to push.

[ScottR]

Xue, I'm impressed Wow, I know Adam has always said that bigger scion size is better but man I would have never thought that such a long piece of scion wood would take :oConcrats

[TheDom]

So it got cold on and off for a while after I'd posted this, I had no fruit set, and I figured flowering was done even though there were some small flower buds on there. Now that it has warmed back up, it seems like it has picked up where it left off.

My Grimal is putting out its first flowers now. Approx 4.5 ft tall. Giggity!

[gozp]

Hi everyone, what variety of jaboticaba is this?

[simon_grow]

Hey Adam, I got my first flower on my seedling grown hybrid Jaboticaba. I believe it's about 3-4 years old. I doubt it will hold any fruit but at least I got my first flower!

Simon

[FlyingFoxFruits]

Hey Adam, I got my first flower on my seedling grown hybrid Jaboticaba. I believe it's about 3-4 years old. I doubt it will hold any fruit but at least I got my first flower!

Simon

Congrats !  Hope u get fruit set... It's definitely possible

[greenman62]

i finally put my jabo in ground a couple of weeks ago.
got this from PIN 2 years ago.
i had been debating on where to put it. - front lawn, near the front door ... LOL




i may have made a mistake though with water.
it hasnt gotten hot yet, and its been raining regularly
and still the other day a few leaves started drying up 

i had added some compost in the hole under the plant
which raised it a bit above soil level.
i am used to trying to give plants good drainage, and know whenever i add compost under a plant
in a few months it sags down an inch or 2.

but now the plant is drying up too easy.
i may have to water it every other day during 95F temps

these flowers even dried up...


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this is the red i got from Adam several months ago
its looking very healthy.

[kar1ma3]

M. cauliflora sabara flowers

[FlyingFoxFruits]

i believe adding compost under your plant when planting was the mistake.

sounds like the compost drains too fast, and lacks water retaining qualities.

forget about good drainage...they can sit in water for weeks with no problem

i finally put my jabo in ground a couple of weeks ago.
got this from PIN 2 years ago.
i had been debating on where to put it. - front lawn, near the front door ... LOL




i may have made a mistake though with water.
it hasnt gotten hot yet, and its been raining regularly
and still the other day a few leaves started drying up 

i had added some compost in the hole under the plant
which raised it a bit above soil level.
i am used to trying to give plants good drainage, and know whenever i add compost under a plant
in a few months it sags down an inch or 2.

but now the plant is drying up too easy.
i may have to water it every other day during 95F temps

these flowers even dried up...


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this is the red i got from Adam several months ago
its looking very healthy.

[Cassio]

These are news that will make the jaboticabaholics to go crazy.... Not all of the jabo vars have fotos, but it will pick your attention for sure.
Adhemar is the site owner: http://www.frutasraras.com/buscar?q=jabuticaba

[FlyingFoxFruits]

[fruitlovers]

Adan
Answer me a question:
Helton ranks jabuticabas as plinias, the difference between Plinia and Myrciaria?

Thank you

I don't think there is much of a difference...and I don't know why some people refuse to use the name Myrciaria....and why some are classified as Plinia (even by those who categorize some as Myrciaria).

but I personally think some of the Myrciarias (like glazioviana, guaquiea, strigipes, and glomerata) should have their own genus.  They are much different than Sabara and it's close relatives (M. cauliflora, coronata, trunciflora, oblongata, etc)

also, Plinia edulis, Plinia rivularis, Mulchi (Plinia sp.), and Myrciaria vexator seem to belong to a separate group....

all i can say is...it's really confusing!  and probably will require genetic profiling to have a definitive answer...

Eugenia, Plinia, and Myrciaria are all closely related...and difficult for a layman to distinguish taxonomically.

Mulchi is Plinia inflata.
 http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18908.msg235411#msg235411

[Miguel.pt]

So afters years following this thread and not having much to say... I'm now happy to inform the world that there is another fruiting Jabo in Europe... mine!










I think this is a Sabará but not really sure... whatever the species I'm very happy with the size and quality of these fruits...excellent!