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I recommend getting a clean white bedsheet and putting it under the tree, then just grab the trunk or branches and shake it. Only the most ripe ones will fall. It works great for me and is super lazy. I do the same thing when trees are defoliating, just shake them hard and get it over with.

That is how my grandmother told me that they picked wild mulberries back around the great depression. I guess there was one year that they caned them for the winter because the crops had been poor and they thought they might starve. I would try to give them to her when I was a kid and she wouldn't eat them--too many bad memories I guess.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Evergreen edibles for zone 9b / 9a
« on: April 13, 2021, 08:24:17 PM »
If the op had been in Arizona (or is that Arid-zona? lol!), I would have encouraged him to look at Pinyon pines. I believe there are a few that are even native to Arizona. I left it off the list for Florida, though, because I have never heard of anyone fruiting them here. Italian stone pine would probably have the best chance in zone 9.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ???
« on: April 12, 2021, 10:57:36 PM »
I am not a mango expert, but I have grown the 3 varieties you mention. The only one that looks possible to me is Keitt for #2. #1 does not have the right shape or color for Glenn (too light a green). And #3 is not the right shape for NDM (not pointed enough).

For cooked spinach, taro leaves are hard to beat, but they can't be eaten raw. Sweetpotato greens are also good.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Evergreen edibles for zone 9b / 9a
« on: April 11, 2021, 03:31:58 PM »
Ok, below is your list of essentials as best as I can figure from the thread.

1). Cold hardy to 9b/9a border
2). Make a good wind break
3). Stay evergreen (Wind break is most needed in winter)
4). Grow as fast or faster than mango
5). Produce food

Asper bamboo comes to mind as one of the few plants that would meet all those requirements. Catley (strawberry or lemon) guava would be good, too although I don't think they grow quite as fast as mango. Full size Natal plum is not as fast growing as one would like, but will make a fantastic windbreak once established.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Surinam cherry 1 5/8
« on: April 10, 2021, 04:56:29 PM »
I am beginning to wonder if this is a tetraploid. That would definitely be one explanation for the increased flower, leaf, and fruit size over the normal Surinam Cherry.

As a bonus, lychee makes good honey.

Brian, I see that you have some beautiful citrus in your greenhouse as well as some more tender tropicals. This is a good sign that you will be able to keep lychee alive in my opinion. I think the biggest challenge that you will have is polination. Lychee needs insect polination, so if your tree blooms at a time or in a place where there are no insects to pollinate the flowers, I think your chances of getting fruit are slim. Also, from my observations, pollen is not as viable in cold weather (this may be variety specific as well). Maybe you could keep the tree dormant by withholding water until later in your spring.

 I read a report once that said certain nematodes can be spread by planting infected sweet potato tubers. One solution is to sprout potato and then root cuttings of the vines. Apparently this lessens the chances of transfering nematodes.

Very interesting. I had done a a few air-layering and of course the roots developed in the middle of the bag of moss or soil.
So the varieties of trees that work with air-layer don't have issue with bark buried under the soil? Does this mean -- hypothetically -- I could dump a foot of soil higher than the established soil around my 10 yrs old Longan and Lychee without killing them?

We actually did this to some trees in our grove that were planted too low and a couple of them died. If you plan to do this, try to keep the soil away from the trunk a couple feet (kind of like a donut with the tree planted in the hole). I don't think it would be a problem to add soil gradually, but 12" is a lot to adjust to in one shot.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: kumquat seedlings cold hardyness
« on: April 07, 2021, 09:52:41 PM »
I would expect grafted and seedling trees of the same size to be very similar in cold tollerence (unless the tree is grafted to a root stock that is imparting additional cold resistance). To my understanding, much of the increased cold tollerence in mature trees comes from their larger mass. A larger tree simply holds more heat and has thicker bark than a small one.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Happy Easter
« on: April 04, 2021, 08:19:48 AM »
Jesus is risen! Happy Easter everyone!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this a wild cherry tree?
« on: April 03, 2021, 09:08:07 AM »
Yes, it does look like black cherry.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: growing Temple tangor
« on: March 30, 2021, 07:04:38 PM »
I can verify that they grow slower than Minneola. There is a 10 acre grove in Sebring that was planted about 10-15 years ago with alternating rows of Temple and Minneola. The Temples are about 2/3 the size of the Minneolas. I assume they were all in the same rootstock.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Verna Orange
« on: March 30, 2021, 07:01:05 PM »
I have had California Mineolas and was not impressed. Florida grown Mineolas are not only one of my favorite citrus, but one of my favorite fruits period. High acid fruits are better grown in Florida and low acid fruits are better from California. California Navels are better than the ones from Florida.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Verna Orange
« on: March 29, 2021, 10:42:26 PM »
They actually had a lot of groves and owned one of the two main juice plants. I think it was Minute Maid. Pepsi actually owns the other major juice plant/brand (Tropicana).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: growing Temple tangor
« on: March 29, 2021, 09:53:00 PM »
I have not grown a tree myself, but I have eaten plenty of them, and they are great! They were really popular here in Florida for many years, and there was even a seedless budsport at one time (which was sadly lost before it was widely disrributed). Not sure how they do in California, though. The original tree was a chance seedling in a grove at Winter Park, FL.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Verna Orange
« on: March 29, 2021, 09:35:58 PM »
I'm glad the information was helpful. If my memory serves me right, Vernia was introduced by Coca-Cola at a private research facility near Indian Town. Coke lost interest in the research, but Vernia was re-discovered at their old facility by University of Florida staff and became a very popular variety in the citrus industry. I am amazed that there is not more out there on it.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Fruit Drop
« on: March 28, 2021, 10:45:40 PM »
Very interesting, I am amazed that water stress 8-12 moths before the harvest date contributes to fruit drop just prior to harvest. This has been a big problem for some of our local citrus growers.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Verna Orange
« on: March 28, 2021, 09:59:43 PM »
Are we talking about Berna (which I had never heard of before) or Vernia? Vernia is far more common in my experience and is commonly planted in the local citrus groves as a mid season cultivar. It is so similar to Valencia in quality that it gets the Valencia price at the juice plant (unless its mixed with Hamlins and then you only get the Hamlin price). The article below mentions both.

Someone mentioned they taste like marshmallows, what do the people that have eaten it think?

They do not taste like marshmallows to me.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Lychee Season
« on: March 26, 2021, 08:59:27 PM »
what do you guys think, is it possible to grow and fruit a Wai Chee in a 12 gallon pot?

I have not grown Wai Chee, but we have fruited Emperor (which has a similar growth rate to my understanding) in 15 gallon pots. The difficulty is that the roots are confined by the time you develop enough canopy to produce fruit. This makes it very hard to keep the tree sufficiently watered when it is fruiting and results in many split fruit. Maybe a better watering system or a variety that resists splitting would help.

That's a good info. I will try to grow it, although my ordered tree died during shipment. I guess I need a new one.
So I should add more coco coir which holds more water once the tree gets bigger.

We did not use coco coir, just potting soil. So, I don't know how that would work. I had initially thought about putting a shalow tray under each pot when they were fruiting like some people do for jaboticaba.

They wilt quickly. I think that is why they are not sold much in the grocery store. Water spinach (Ipomea Aquatica) is a sweet potato relative grown in SE asia for its leaves and stems. It is the most common vegetable in some places from what I understand. However, it is illiegal to grow in Florida because it is an aquatic invasive. One advantage it has over sweet potato greens is a lower oxilate content. It would be neat to see if there were any hybrids between the two.

If Tangelos are part of this group, Minneola would be in the running for the top spot. We used to have a massive minneola tree that put our fruit the size of small grapefruits. 7 of them would make a 1/2 gallon of juice.

I agree, and am growing some just for that purpose. Unfortunately, my first planting was decimated by rabbits (who love sweet potato vines). We eat the tender growth tips in stir fry and they are excellent. My wife does not like slimey textures, so a lot of tropical greens turn her off. She really liked sweet potato greens, though. They also make good feed for livestock because they are high in protein (which is probably why the rabbits like them).

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