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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question About Tree Paint
« on: July 17, 2021, 04:49:06 PM »
Mango grows straight through paint for me on mature branches (only done a few though). I just use cheap watered down latex paint. Is IV organics superior in some way?

As Rob said you only need to paint the top/part facing the sun anyway.

Are you growing or know anyone growing honey gold around Brisbane? Are the reports of heavy disease suceptibility in this area accurate?

Yep, I top worked a kp summer before last. Iíll let it fruit properly for the first time this year but did let fruit develop last year before removing and didnít notice anything. I hear Alphonso isnít great here either but never had one.

I wonder if the taste is dependent on location. 

It has to be. I know Mike was baiting a bit here but seriously some of the cultivars that seem fine elsewhere taste very different (I assume) here. I am no KP fanboy but there must be something to it, whether it is climate or soil or whatever. I know the older USA cultivars are nothing like the new superstars, but they are still grown there and are preferred there to things like KP. I am really keen to try some of the newer superstars and expect them to be a cut above.

My 4 year old who has no idea about cultivars was NOT a fan of keitt, palmer, Kent or brooks. I eat them but wouldn't buy them again. KP, maha and honey gold are good and she loves them.

I think itís over there known as KJ Pinks.

Paxton prolific is a type pinks mammoth that doesnít require hand pollination. Ugly but delicious :)

Atemoya are more of a sub tropical fruit but heat tolerance varies. I know Mike has mentioned African Pride doing ok in the tropics while some others didnít.

Yeah you really need a heat source or thicker coverings than frost cloth down there. I did some tests with data loggers and frost cloth and found while it was enough up here, it only kept them slightly warmer.

Firstly, great video, and good to see another Aussie on here. I love data driven information that shows empirically how much of a difference cold measueres make in the wild.

Secondly I thought that the difference provided by your (much thicker) frost cloth was quite sigificant. I bet in colder temperatures this difference would be even more pronounced.

Unlike your trees mine are on concrete pavers, with some right up against the brick wall of the house. These should act as a heat sink much like the water container with your jackfruit. The pots themselves are mainly black and should also absorb some heat during the day and hopefully radiate through the night. 

Although the frost cloth is quite thin, I have purchase 4 strands of 300 xmas bulbs which I will wrap around the pots and stems, and should radiate even more heat upwards overnight.

Here is an idea of what I have undercover, not quite as well put together as your own, but we do what we can!

Thanks for the kind words. Really keen to see how it goes with your trees. You are certainly right that the concrete/brick walls will hold heat, a lot more than my barrels of water. You might indeed get enough buffer to avoid damage in the lows at which point (as others said) itís the lack of heat during the day thatís the challenge.

Yeah you really need a heat source or thicker coverings than frost cloth down there. I did some tests with data loggers and frost cloth and found while it was enough up here, it only kept them slightly warmer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Ross Sapotes and Canistels
« on: April 17, 2021, 05:05:04 PM »
I have really liked Aurea and Bruno canistels, yet to try a Ross. The other canistels Iíve had are a bit dry though if I didnít know of the better types I wouldnít mind.

Mike do you know the origin of Bruno? I got a grafted tree from Steve recently after trying the fruit a while back and liking it a lot.

I had an air layered Kwai muk. It was incredibly weak compared to seedlings planted nearby and died after a few weeks. I might have just got a bad one or maybe it was a bad spot? Cant say much with a sample size of one.

I only ever check this section despite also growing and enjoying citrus. I just donít think to check/keep up with the other section. I bet many others are in a similar boat and further splitting would compound the issue. Splitting is really only necessary when threads are disappearing to page 3,4,5 in the first hours, that doesnít happen here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit Post
« on: March 18, 2021, 04:20:10 AM »
I went topless for a short while haha. Some cultivars have heaps of aerial roots and could support a decent amount of weight. Others have almost none. I ended up making tops to slip over the concrete posts once it was obvious that most wouldnít just support themselves.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mexican sunflower
« on: March 11, 2021, 05:03:40 PM »
My main hedge (60m ish) is just uphill of a tree row (between two rows) so usually let it just fall on the row. On the uphill side I usually clump it up and put it under the trees. Makes a nice, airy mulch.

I donít mind the look of it as mulch but chip does look nicer. It mostly breaks down here before the next trim but that might not happen there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mexican sunflower
« on: March 11, 2021, 03:42:25 PM »
Double post.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mexican sunflower
« on: March 11, 2021, 03:29:52 PM »
I donít have Tithonia but I do have a lot of vetiver. I use a blade similar to Brad. I know Shane said he had a good experience, but I found the tri blade style to be very average and changed to the circular blade style with good results. Either will cut straight through fencing with a decent trimmer (ask me how I know, doh!). I imagine results would be similar for the Mexican sunflower.

Vid here if you are interested -

Sorry Brad I donít have any chipper advice. I would have assumed it would be fine with a decent chipper but donít know the plant.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Barbados Cherry from seed.
« on: February 23, 2021, 04:06:43 AM »
Cuttings are so easy, finger sized with a few buds and stick them in a pot. I don't even protect them, just out in the open.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon fruit trellis guestion
« on: February 14, 2021, 05:51:34 PM »
They grow fine on the fresh concrete. If you are making concrete supports make sure you have plenty of reinforcement through whatever shape you make.

I made my posts out of concrete but my tops using a PVC pipe/cap (same size I had used for the concrete mould) with steel through it to make the frame and cemented for stability on the inside of the pvc post topper.

Here is the only pic I have on my phone but on the less mature posts behind you can see the toppers on the concrete posts.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lakoocha Vs Kwai Muk
« on: February 02, 2021, 06:03:25 AM »
Thanks Mike

Will start the search for a good tree down here. If you keep any seeds next time from that friends good tree let me know :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lakoocha Vs Kwai Muk
« on: February 02, 2021, 04:37:02 AM »
Lakoocha vs Kwai Muk. If you only planted one, which would it be.

I did find some older comments leaning one way or the other, has anyone had good examples of both?

All my trees are pruned and grown on 15ft/4.6m centres if that matters and climate is sub tropical with minor frosts.

Thanks all.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LM3 vs Lisa atemoya
« on: January 29, 2021, 08:08:27 PM »
How do you guys rate pink mamoth and tropic sun compared to Lisa? 

On page 48 or the ag guide you will see ratings given for flavour, texture etc. of various cultivars grown commercially here.

The information linked to is more than 20 years old and doesn't cover newer varieties.  I wonder how they stack up against these industry standards of 1998 and what percentage of the commercial crop is now devoted to each variety.  Is Tropic Sun mostly a home gardener's variety?

I was answering Brad about Pinks Mammoth and as Gefner and AP are both listed and a point of reference I thought it worth sharing. Tropic sun is supposed to be good but killed mine before fruit :( it was developed for commercial production I believe but donít know if it ended up being productive enough, itís pretty low vigour. there are some others coming that are meant to be good to but yet to see them on the shelves.

Bit more info here thatís interesting but more about where they came from/how they were bred rather than flavour.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: LM3 vs Lisa atemoya
« on: January 29, 2021, 04:32:47 AM »
How do you guys rate pink mamoth and tropic sun compared to Lisa? 

I canít compare to Lisa or Tropic sun but the Pinks Mammoth line is fantastic and I rate them well above Gefner and AP as points of reference.

PM is ugly as Sean said (worse with poor pollination I think) so consider that if you care.

On page 48 or the ag guide you will see ratings given for flavour, texture etc. of various cultivars grown commercially here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Propagating Acerola Cherry
« on: January 16, 2021, 05:24:07 PM »
That is a tough one. I seriously get near 100% take with cuttings the width of your finger just stuck in pots out in the open. I take all the leaves off.

I usually avoid the middle of summer and winter but Iím not even sure that matters.

This is what I do and the results/data.

You could use a thicker cloth there if necessary.

I get light frosts most years (very brief here) and it seems the flowers are only damaged at the same point the tree/foliage would be.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Most worthwhile subtropical fruits to grow?
« on: November 27, 2020, 03:48:02 PM »
Add sapodilla, canistel, atemoya, bananas, dragonfruit, jaboticaba, all guavas and even star apples depending on what *some degree of frost* means.

I get Minor frost most years here and those all do well. I have jackfruit too and they are mostly ok after the first 2 years.

I protected a lot of it for the first year.I did have some losses of small trees one bad year when I didnít (coldest recorded temp ever here).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Blue bananas
« on: October 31, 2020, 05:57:36 PM »
Never had cores in mine like Brad has, thatís a bummer Brad :( . I rate them as a backyard banana.

I see it a lot but I wonder if a lot of the disappointment is due to the hype and other name of ice cream banana. They are fine to good tasting here and productive. My only gripe is having to stake the plant.

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