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Plant order arrived to Tampa super fast (3 days), were in great condition & well packed.

Very nice plants!


Paul M.

I have found abiu to be an extremely hardy plant, i planted mine in full sun with no shade cloth at about 2ft high and it hasnt looked back, i also have seedlings growing and they are powering.  Certainly a 10x tougher plant than mangosteen or durian.

Interesting to know, thanx, Gone troppo!  Here in Florida 9b the biggest concern I have would be that of cold weather that we occasionally experience here. We do freeze where I am on rare occasion.

To that end is there any incidence of some/any particular Abiu seedlings which have shown that they can take more cold.  If so how low?  Anyone on here have any experience with such a 'cold-tolerant' Abiu??

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 'Egg of the Sun' mango . . .
« on: May 14, 2021, 12:53:12 AM »
Its not really an eating mango, its meant to be a flattering gift.  A symbol of status

Thanx Mango-Kush, and especially so for the link.

Now after seeing the video I'm glad 'Irwin' is one of the three mango cultivars I chose to try growing.

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / 'Egg of the Sun' mango . . .
« on: May 13, 2021, 06:17:58 PM »
(snip) Do they ripen and taste normal? Perhaps these could generate as much interest as the Egg of the Sun mangos??

How does the 'Egg of the Sun' cultivar fit in with the deformed or bizarrely shaped mangos discussed in an earlier thread?

Isn't 'EotS' cultivar the same as 'Irwin'?  Somewhere I read that 'Irwin' is 'the most expensive mango in the world'.  Why would that be the case.  I cannot find anywhere where it explains why.

Just curious . . .

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Abius - In shade or out in sun, when?
« on: May 13, 2021, 05:08:44 AM »
My abius are in half gallon pots and are about 8 to 10 inches tall.

They seem healthy enough but I've kept them pretty shady.  They are recovering from being very recently moved up into their larger (1/2 gal.) pots and are just starting to show some new leaf growth.

How soon would it be advisable to start moving the abius into brighter sunlight –or at least into less shade?

And as a tangential question, I have several green sapotes, also currently being kept in 50% shade.  They are about 12 to 14 inches tall and sturdy.  When should I start to increase their sunlight?

Suggestions, advice, please . . .

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB: ABIU Tree
« on: May 13, 2021, 05:05:16 AM »
Is it better to buy fresh seeds of abius or started seedlings?

Are the seeds easy to germinate?

Is anyone offering fresh abiu seed?

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango thief on the loose!
« on: May 12, 2021, 09:13:22 PM »
It would also be a sensible idea for the restaurant owners to place a camera set at an angle that will capture the vehicle's license plates.  That will offer up a positive and concrete ID.

Paul M.

Now the new question is if anyone has tried this fruit before? I can't find any info on it except for one site saying that you don't eat the fruit and another hand written note sent along with seeds saying the fruit is good.


Why not show a photo of it to some of your local tico neighbors and ask them if people eat this.  Then if you get an affirmative, ask if they know anyone local who has eaten it and what they said about it.

But with ticos' penchant for sweet things –lots sweeter thant we estadounidenses prefer– then if the fruit is sweet-tart (i.e., subacid) ticos may say that it's not really very good to eat when we would likely find it just fine.

BTW, doesn't anyone at CATIE know anything about this Annona?

Just a suggestion . . .

Paul M.

Looks like my PM did not make it to you, FLnative.

Hope there are seeds left of Eugenia reinwardtiana--Australian Beach Cherry @ $ 1.00  ea.

If so I would like to order ten (10) of them.

Please confirm availabiltiy.


Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Insane mango irony today
« on: May 08, 2021, 01:04:07 AM »
It could be because his trees are afraid of dying so they are anxious to reproduce!

That was my first impression, too....

Paul M.

[snip] varieties from Oaxaca- the trees have been there a long time- the seeds are much larger than local ilama seeds [snip]

It's true y'all, they're pretty large seeds, larger than any ilama seeds I've bought domestically from other vendors on here. 

The ones of these that I recently received from Vincent looked to me for all the world like kidney beans!!


Paul M.

Dear Vendor,

Curious to know whether you are finding that these G. hombroniana seedlings are producing a very long tap root.

If so I'll want to get them into a deeper pot.

Paul M.

If you want to grow a fruit forest you are wasting time not planting these mangos in the ground and may eventually regret you didn't set them free earlier.

Despite the fact that we have three freezes during the space of approximately every five years to me that fact alone seems to argue that planting the mangoes out in the yard may somehow counter productive should they manage to get hit by a bad freeze after a couple years in the ground and being several yards taller and therefore impractical to cover to protect.

Meanwhile, ref growing my fruit forest, I have half a dozen or more each of Annona, Garcinia, Eugenia, Musa species plus random other genera along with citrus most of which are getting close to a size that they soon will need to go into the gound.

I've been at the fruit forest idea closing on five years now and the larger portion of the above started out in 2-inch pots and most now are up into 3- and 7-gallon pots.

Bottom line is that it's all an experment after all.  Some things will survive and some won't and others will thrive. That's what I've set out to do.  Only wish that I'd started ten years ago!


Paul M.

That is very good news.
Hold baby hold. I am rooting for your success.
I am very impressed with the precociousness and fruit set of this variety.
 My fruit are poquito

Hope your frutas hold on, Bovine, and move on to beyond being just pequeñas and that they'll mature.

Advice from another TFF member was to not let mangoes in big pots dry out and that they may need watering during the hot times before the rainy season starts about three time per week.

Keeping our potted mangoes watered, I tend to agree, should keep them from becoming stressed and therefore deciding to drop the fruit.

OK — Good Luck to us both . . .

Paul M.

UPDATE 4 . . .

Mostly for bovine who's growing in pots, too:

My 'Ice Cream' as of this writing is still holding onto two fruit on two separate infloresences and they are, each fruit, about 3-inches long and looking very healthy.

The other two, 'Irwin' and 'Beverly', did not try to reflower and never did set any fruit this year.

All three mangoes remain in their 7 gallon pots.


Paul M.

Water it thoroughly, remove any fallen or dying leaves and keep it in a shady area while it rehydrates and recovers from its traumatic travels in a pitch black box.

Also as you mentioned there seem to be spidermites, be sure to hose the leaves off gently, hitting both upper and lower faces.  Doing so will help discourage the spidermites.

When you notice new leaves emerging you can gradually start to lightly water your tree.  Just don't keep it real wet.  You can increase watering once it has made new leaves.  Once it seems to have recovered you can gradually move it into brighter light and eventually into more sun.  Just don't do that too quickly so as to give the tree time to acclimate to the extra light.

Just as a matter of curiosity which red cultivar did you buy?


Paul M.



Hi Vincent,

PM sent.

Paul M. -  in Tampa

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Battle with the June beetles
« on: April 28, 2021, 02:31:29 AM »
Try this . . . .

Hang an electric lightbulb near the tree/fruit and place a wide, shallow bowl below it about eight inches.

Fill the bowl with water and add a few drops of dish soap.

At dusk turn on the light.

You won't catch all the junebugs but a lot of them.  The soap will ensure that they get wet and sink and drown.

In the morning empty the dish and refill it with more soapy water and leave the bulb on again the next night.

Should put a hurtin' to the junebug population in your yard.


Paul M.

So then, Rob, where do green sapotes best thrive?  Is 9b not one of those places?

Are there any selected varieties of P. viridis that do thrive in 9b?

Enquiring minds and all that rot . . . .

Saludos . . . !

Paul M.

As Pouterias go how do these stack up for ease of culture in 9b and
for quality/flavor of fruit?:

Ross  /  Butterscotch  /   Alano  /  etc.


Pouteria viridis

Just curious.

Paul M.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Only have room for one Pouteria
« on: April 27, 2021, 07:42:55 PM »
which is better?

I must admit to that same question:  Which is better?  (And why?)

Paul M.

That’s more of a deterrent to keep the rodents away.

Nah!  Nepeta cataria is catnip, doancha know?  So it should actually attract more cats right to the area of the banana if the catnip is planted close-by. 

Now tell me, if you will: What self-respecting rodent is going to wanna be anywhere near around where there's a bevy of frolicking, intoxicated cats???

Still just sayin' (and a tad late for April Fool's Day) . . . .

Paul M.

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