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Steeper sections will erode faster, and gophers will be a never-ending battle. Make good cages for the trees out of 1/2" galvanized hardware cloth, and consider several dozen Gophinator traps. Don't make plans for the days following rains except for trapping gophers. You're in a beautiful location!

I've had similar experiences with transplanted trees from local nurseries. Planting seeds for rootstock is much better. I too love Maha, I would graft a seedling when it gets large enough. I know of other varieties with the same sap flavor (parsnip, commonly referred to as Indochinese resin), but I don't know of others with the same Durian-esque ripe flavor.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Mangos 2021
« on: July 18, 2021, 11:57:33 PM »

Had what I believe was labeled as Pairi Saly, or something like that. Very good.  Sweet, spicy, tad acid, no fiber. Has anyone heard of this mango, or something similar to that name?

Paheri, Pirie is a north indian mango, Green on the outside, round and very fiberless, but strongly alternate bearing, even less if grown in warm wintered climates.

That could be the one, it's well regarded, considered similar to 'bombay'.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal LZ and NDM update 2021
« on: July 18, 2021, 12:49:41 PM »
The Mulgoba is a Florida mango (suspected seedling from India), which is documented in the CRFG material and is the founding fruit of the Florida mango industry, being a progenitor to most of the commercial successes like Haden. It's sought after when available, but never rose to the point of being a commercial success due to it's infrequent fruiting. If grown somewhere where there's enough cold influence, the fruiting may be more consistent.

The varieties I've tried so far are Kesar, Alphonse, and Banganpalli. They all tasted different.
My preference is in the order listed, but there is a big gap between the last two.

I find that people who like the pine resiny flavor of the double IPAs that Stone puts out really like the Banganpalli. I find that the more fruity/less overpowering IPAs that Alpine puts out are usually more popular however, and those who like the other two usually drink those beers. Those who don't like IPAs don't usually go for the Indian mangoes, they may prefer the Manila-types.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your weapon of choice?
« on: July 14, 2021, 02:48:15 AM »
Though the 8" victorinox is an excellent all-purpose, I do prefer a thinner victorinox boning or fillet knife 6-7" when processing mango, as I can make tighter turns around the seed (like the bone of a chicken thigh) while preserving the delicate flesh. I find that If I do that with a chef's knife with a broader blade, I usually pry the meat of the cheek back too much and bend the flesh while rounding the seed. The other benefit of these two blades is that they are tempered, and can be useful for removing the skin due to the flexibility of the blade (like skinning fish). I don't eat the skin of all mangoes, and when processing large quantities, it really helps to get closer to the skin.

It's perfectly fine, it means your nutrients will be released more quickly. Usually the grounds in my compost end up all full of hyphae within a week or two, then if kept humid mushrooms will appear.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal LZ and NDM update 2021
« on: July 12, 2021, 11:58:53 AM »
With such strong cold influence, you may be able to fruit the North Indian type mangoes that don't fruit much in Florida. Like Mulgoba and Shamsul Asamar. Definitely worth trying difficult to fruit types.

I think my tree may have reached everbearing stage, fingers crossed. The order of ripening is Mary Lane, Subelle, North Park, then Subelle is blooming again. It looks like Mary lane is getting ready to bloom after. I will keep checking back, but I'm excited to see consecutive crops ripening.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona pollination question
« on: July 08, 2021, 01:17:35 AM »
Har has stated it multiple times, but I can't remember clearly. I believe the female is the start of the name of the hybrid, therefore Atemoya would be Ate (sugar apple) pollinated with the pollen of a cherimoya. I do believe in common usage however that any hybrid of the the two would be referred two as Atemoya.

If I have remembered the naming convention properly the cherilata is a cherimoya pollinated by a reticulata. I do believe it was a reticulata thread where Har divulged the naming convention.

Don't let them freezer burn, like any food meant to be frozen, use thick bags, remove all air, chill first (cold part of the fridge), then move to a freezer in small amounts on a cookie sheet to conduct the heat out. Once solid, they make excellent chamango.

My xie shan did this several times before finally flushing a sturdy shoot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID Mango Tree Variant. Help!
« on: July 03, 2021, 03:37:43 PM »
Your best bet is Imam Pasand, or Alampur Baneshan. Your mango is dwarf, spreading, thin leaves and Indian type.

It's never for certain until genetic tests are performed, in all likelyhood it's one of the above two which are often referred to as synonyms.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 27, 2021, 05:21:51 PM »
I've been looking at them for a while for things like peaches which have huge crops and short shelf lives.

Do you know what brand of dehydrator they are using?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is This PPK?
« on: June 25, 2021, 08:03:02 PM »
I thought the leaves of PPK had wavy margins.

Just got to catch them, that's the hard part.

In the inland valleys Snow Queen is remarkable.

Jim Nitzel was similar to A.R. Rideout in that he was big on sharing propagation materials, and he had a chance seedling that became well known. His seedling failed to take a graft twice, after which he decided to let it grow out. It later became known as the Big Jim Loquat.

Jim gave me a mango shortly before his passing that he requested I plant the seed from. It's only recently bloomed, but no fruit yet. It's sap aroma differs substantially from the parent fruit, which had an indochinese base flavor. The seedling has a sap aroma similar to certain citrus, but it's different from the mandarin smell of Gary descendants, closer to a valencia orange in the spicy aroma.

Time will tell if it's a good variety, but I have my fingers crossed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« on: June 15, 2021, 06:33:38 PM »
So much for PP being a scant producer. Seems the Socal cool winter nights are a blessing for the light bearers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Reviews
« on: June 03, 2021, 07:58:49 PM »
Edgar looks pretty good from that comparison.
How is the taste?

In humid Panama, there should be no pollination issues, as the more humid it is the more selfing occurs.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top Tier Mango Reviews
« on: May 30, 2021, 07:06:13 PM »
If you happen to open up the seed husks, there's a few which have conflicting reports from your list. A report of Poly or mono could help increase the knowledge base.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sunburst mango variety question
« on: May 30, 2021, 07:03:01 PM »
Probably got the idea from the Zills.

I wouldn't recommend a flimsy cage like that, I make my own out of 1/2" hardware cloth, which holds up for about three years, which is 2.5 years longer than anything made out of chicken wire has lasted.

This thread
has some experiences I've had.

You will want to remove most of the leaf given that the gophers removed most of the root. The part of the leaf that will take the most moisture is the pointy parts, so I would trim the remaining leaves somewhat round.
I don't know much about rooting them, but what you're suggesting sounds reasonable, I'd go for it.

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