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Probably just acclimating and also the change of seasons. It might shed some of the old growth and new growth will flush out. Since it's in the ground it only needs watering about every 4 days this time of year, every 3 days when it warms up. Good luck!

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Arctic Frost / Orange Frost Satsuma?
« on: October 27, 2017, 12:13:19 AM »
The fruit is decent, but when first peeling the Arctic Frost it gives off an odd sour odor. Mine this year are quite sweet from a bigger container grown tree. It has 20+ fruits. Not more cold tolerant than a regular Satsuma in my experience and easily stressed when transplanting. Not vigorous.
Can anyone comment on the flavor of Arctic Frost and Orange Frost Satsuma, and perhaps compare them to Miho Satsuma?

I live in west central Louisiana on the 8b/9a line, and am currently growing 6 varieties of Satsuma's (3 mature 20+ year old 12-15 ft tall trees in 2 varieties, and 3 early varieties (St Ann, Louisiana Early, and Armstrong Early)that have been in the ground for about 3 years, ) along with a meyer's lemon, and a CaraCara orange, that are also 2-3 years old.  Being  quarantine state I have limited selection of citrus available, generally being limited to the offerings from 2 citrus nurseries, one of which just introduced Arctic Frost and Orange frost to the state, the other is working on Miho's but they will not be ready for another year at least.  I would like to plant some more citrus, but as you might imagine I am running out of sheltered locations, as well as places close enough to the house to run electricity for christmas lights, etc.

Which leads to the current question, how is the taste of the above mentioned varieties, and are they worth growing as a backup in case of a once in 50 year super freeze?  I have ample space for more trees, just not in sheltered locations.

thanks Ike

I'll take as many as I can get, but 10-12 would be great! Extras will be frozen.

Great, thanks for that!

I understand these fruits should be reaching ripeness now. I will glad buy fruits off you. My use is for treating cancer and studies show the poncirins have good anti-neoplastic properties. I would be grateful if you have mature producing trees to share some fruit. Thanks!


Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: citrus varieties in order of cold-hardiness
« on: June 19, 2017, 11:03:58 AM »
What is published on the internet is not necessarily accurate and somewhat based on urban legends. My Arctic Frosts Satsumas which are supposed to tolerate 10oF are no more cold tolerant than my other Satsumas.

In my experience there is a loose relationship between vigorous growing citrus under moderate conditions and cold hardiness. For example, my Trifoliata seedlings are outgrowing the other citrus varieties with Rio Red Grapefruit also very vigorous. They have a better ability to bounce back and recover.  A thicker, stouter tree will likely have more cold tolerance during freezing events. Of course this does not hold true for some types.

There needs to be a formal field comparison of cold hardiness to know for sure.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Which size tree to buy?
« on: June 19, 2017, 10:46:25 AM »
I choose according to the shape, health, evidence of rapid growth, and trunk size. Sometimes I get a winner in a 5 gal other times I have to go 15 gal. Usually the bigger the better as you can be fruiting sooner. If you are putting in the ground and are in zone 9b or above, the choice might depend on soil type. I prefer a younger tree when planting in clay soils as it is more likely to root properly. If you are below zone 9b then a bigger, thicker tree will offer better survival. I found 2 Moro Orange trees here in DFW in 5 gal pots that were 15 gal size trees. I potted them up and they are doing great with loads of oranges.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: Ecuadorian guava
« on: June 02, 2017, 05:24:02 PM »
If anyone has or knows of a source for the plants or seeds, it would be greatly appreciated. The fruit is a pod with cotton candy like flesh inside.

Thanks for the replies. Citradia, I'm in Texas so McKenzie cannot (legally) ship here. I am growing many seedlings now but it will take years. I found a guy on eBay but his fruit will not ripen until fall.

Poncirus fruit is important in Asian and in Chinese medicine. Usually the fruit and the rind is used and the active substance is poncirin. I imagine it is not the best tasting thing but when your health could benefit from it...

I will keep searching but probably have to wait until harvest season. My Korean wife check around the Asian markets and herbal medicine places but no one has it. She says it is used in Korea.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget
« on: May 26, 2017, 09:30:55 PM »
This is the first year where my Gold Nuggets (picked in March-April) were excellent in quality and my favorite citrus. Apparently, the tree needs some maturity for the fruit to be top notch. Previous years the fruit was mediocre in comparison.

Enclosed is a photo of my 6-year-old Gold Nugget on C-35 rootstock taken in April of 2017. This tree was worth the wait.

Beautiful tree and healthy. Nicely done!

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: I killed poncyrus seeds!
« on: May 22, 2017, 02:09:55 PM »
I got some P. trifoliata seeds early April and out of 100 seeds about 25-30 have sprouted, some growing very quickly. I suppose the cold winter was not ideal for germinating them.

Thank you, I am familiar with the general anticancer benefits of grapefruit and lemons. According to a Korean study, Poncirus trifoliata has potent anticancer properties but is also known to cause stomach illness like a chemotherapy. It was historically used in Asia not only to treat inflammation but for abortion. The mechanism is different than flavonoids, it initiates cellular apoptosis by activating death receptors such as tumor necrosis factor receptor (TNFR). I figured it is worth a try, but I know it is out of season right now.

I'm looking to buy Poncirus trifoliata fruit (Japanese bitter orange) from anyone who will to sell them. I understand the peel and flesh has good anticancer properties, which at the moment is very important to me. You can PM me if you have some or will be expecting some this season. I would greatly appreciate it and will pay a fair price. Thanks.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Bloomsweet
« on: May 14, 2017, 11:31:49 AM »
Grow what does best in Scottsdale. Satsumas are not fond of desert conditions and the leaves can get sunburned and scortched. Grapefruits, oranges, limes, lemons can thrive there and some tangerines and mandarins.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sunburn????????
« on: May 04, 2017, 02:04:27 PM »
Hi Robby, yes I live in Southlake, TX and yes I put some citrus in the ground. I moved here last year and bought a new home. My landscaping finished end of August and that is when I planted 2 Arctic Frost Satsuma, 2 Seto Satusuma and 1 Miho Satusma in the ground. We had a freak cold snap in December when it got 72oF during the day and dropped to 16oF at night with high winds for 2 days. I did not adequately cover the trees and I got die back to the stem and they are recovering now. Lesson learned. I have 20+ other citrus in containers. I replaced 3 of the damaged trees and will cover better in the future when needed. I know it can be done! lol

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sunburn????????
« on: April 29, 2017, 09:42:40 PM »
Usually when a citrus defoliates from transplant shock, sunburn or dehydrating conditions it will return by flushing very well and flowering.  If not done, also add 2-3" of pine bark much but keep it off the trunk. Good luck!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sunburn????????
« on: April 27, 2017, 03:14:25 PM »
It looks like it needs more water, especially when transplanting. A shade cloth would be helpful for 1-2 weeks while it acclimates.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Can citrus be grown in Austin, TX?
« on: April 15, 2017, 10:54:33 PM »
Austin is hill country and has better soil composition and drainage properties for citrus than North Texas. A mature Satsuma, especially Seto and possibly Arctic Frost, should survive fine with covering during rare extreme cold events. Key word - mature!

There are some members here growing citrus near to Austin. I am in Dallas, and my first year here this past year my in the ground Satsumas were badly damaged from 2 nights of 16oF and high winds when is it was 72oF the same day.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Painting trees
« on: April 14, 2017, 09:03:49 PM »
I bought this product in the image. Not cheap. All my trees are younger as I just moved to Texas a little over a year ago so most of my citrus do not have a canopy.


Citrus General Discussion / Painting trees
« on: April 13, 2017, 10:11:18 AM »
Anyone try painting your citrus tree trunks and stalks? Is there a benefit?

I bought some organic tree paint to give it a try as I noticed some cracking of bark on a Satsuma from last summers heat. I figured it can't hurt.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Surplus home citrus?
« on: April 12, 2017, 10:45:22 AM »
My in the ground Miho while covered succumbed to 16oF this winter whereas my same sized Setos survived. I like Miho but they are not more cold hardy than any other Satsuma variety, this is a myth.

Thats not very cold tolerant, i had an owari survive 17 with no damage at all and a meyer lemon that only lost its leaves during ice storms.
Satsumas in general need some winter chill (32oF-47oF) to ripen then flower in spring, that is why they are not in South Florida. Miho is no different from what I can tell.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Surplus home citrus?
« on: April 12, 2017, 10:42:56 AM »
My in the ground Miho while covered succumbed to 16oF this winter whereas my same sized Setos survived. I like Miho but they are not more cold hardy than any other Satsuma variety, this is a myth.

Thats not very cold tolerant, i had an owari survive 17 with no damage at all and a meyer lemon that only lost its leaves during ice storms.
I was shocked as the Miho was a good sized 20 gal tree with 1.33 in diameter trunk. The sour orange rootstock survived but the Miho above the graft died. It was 16oF the first night for 8 hrs with high winds, then 18oF the second night with wind. It was covered and had a 35 watt halogen uplight on it and small christmas lights on foliage. Next year I will create a clear plastic barrier covering until these trees are more mature. The winds here in DFW get nasty.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Surplus home citrus?
« on: April 12, 2017, 12:22:52 AM »
My in the ground Miho while covered succumbed to 16oF this winter whereas my same sized Setos survived. I like Miho but they are not more cold hardy than any other Satsuma variety, this is a myth.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Where Has All The Oranges Gone
« on: April 10, 2017, 05:49:58 PM »
The lower and San Joaquin Valley in California and other valley areas actually have greatly expanded into citrus, mostly mandarins, hence where Cuties and Halos come from. A lot of the market went south into Mexico where they have developed new citrus groves, especially grapefruit and oranges.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Best mandarin recommendations?
« on: April 10, 2017, 05:41:07 PM »
I left San Diego County just over a year ago. Kishu was often appearing at Home Depot. The very best source for citrus and other fruit trees - big healthy ones - at wholesale pricing is Clausen Nursery in Vista. Link here: Call them for inventory update, growers bring them new trees almost every day.

BTW Algerian = Clementine. Warning - Murcotts can be quite seedy.


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