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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2019, 10:51:46 PM »
Interesting info,SoCal2warm, thanks for sharing. Will hope for best )) I actually wanted to graft on this tree Kaunching and Smyrna to have few varieties on one tree. Do you know anything about how Kaunching or Smyrna are doing in  SoCal climate? I also would like to see a photo of actual Kaunching's fruit to know more about a shape.  Not to many actual pictures of it in internet. I would really appreciate if someone would show it. As far as I know Kaunching is another variety that  is good to eat raw.

SoCal2warm, I wanted to thank you for all of your photos with images of flowers, leaves and fruits. It is what I always like to see, especially when trying to pick a variety.

Interesting observation... I looked for the variety Kuganskaya, on Russian web sources, wanted to find more info or photos. I never find it..)) there is not such a variety under this name in Russia. They have Kubanskaya. I guess someone made a mistake and misspelled it from the very beginning.
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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2019, 09:17:06 PM »
I actually wanted to graft on this tree Kaunching and Smyrna to have few varieties on one tree. Do you know anything about how Kaunching or Smyrna are doing in  SoCal climate?
I'm pretty sure Karp's Sweet is probably a better variety than Kaunching or Smyrna (not that those two are bad varieties).
 Also I believe that Karp's Sweet probably has a lower chill requirement than other quince varieties (though I'm not certain about this), so other varieties would probably do worse in your climate. Considering where you live, I would not bother trying to graft on any other quince varieties.

In a warm climate with plenty of heat, Karp's Sweet is probably going to be the best you will get, I would think.


I also would like to see a photo of actual Kaunching's fruit to know more about a shape.  Not to many actual pictures of it in internet. I would really appreciate if someone would show it. As far as I know Kaunching is another variety that  is good to eat raw.
This is just from my memory, but from the research I did in the past it seemed like Kaunching was one of the good more edible varieties, but probably wasn't quite as good for raw eating as Crimea, Kuganskaya, and Aromatnaya.
(I mean all four varieties are probably pretty close in terms of quality for eating raw, it's just that out of those four Kaunching would come in last place)

I actually saw a bunch of Kaunching trees for sale at my local nursery a year or two ago (and was surprised because that's not a common variety) but didn't get one because I thought the two varieties I already had were probably a little bit better.

It is of course possible I could be wrong about all this, but you just asked my thoughts and opinion.
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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2019, 05:32:04 PM »
" It is of course possible I could be wrong about all this, but you just asked my thoughts and opinion"
and I appreciated it. It is always helpful to know about someone else's experience and opinions as well.  Please keep sharing. It is so rare to find any kind of discussions about  quince. Many people are not familiar with it and does not know what to do with quince.
I did not have any experience growing quince in past. All I remember is eating it )) without thinking about a variety. Sometimes it was good to eat raw, sometimes it had some astringency in it. But either way I can have just a couple of raw slices, I prefer it cooked anyway. Love the smell...everything is nice about quince..beautiful blooming period, fruits on the tree and of cause that delicate smell. It is a real treat!   
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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2019, 03:33:21 PM »
Kuganskaya fruit



September 25, 2019

They are not fully ripe yet but I already had one. Yes, I could eat it raw, but it was very slightly astringent and seemed to be pretty acidic, so much so that it kind of hurt my teeth. Flavor was about one third pear, one third heirloom apple, and one third something else, unique to quince.
The skin of these edible raw quinces are not as fragrant as other normal quinces.

I think these special quinces would be very good with even the slightest bit of cooking or pan searing with a carmelized sauce.

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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2021, 03:24:37 AM »
An update: The Karp's Sweet has produced several little fruit druplets, but I fear they may drop off.
That type of thing seems to often happen when the tree does not have enough vigor due to lack of previous winter chill.

Meanwhile the Passe Crassane tree seems to be growing very well in its zone 10 climate, which I feel is notable for a European pear.


Edit as of the start of July:
Another update: There are now two fruits on the Karp's Sweet. Each is only about the size of a tangerine now.
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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2024, 02:09:00 PM »
An update: The Karp's Sweet has produced several little fruit druplets, but I fear they may drop off.
That type of thing seems to often happen when the tree does not have enough vigor due to lack of previous winter chill.

Meanwhile the Passe Crassane tree seems to be growing very well in its zone 10 climate, which I feel is notable for a European pear.


Edit as of the start of July:
Another update: There are now two fruits on the Karp's Sweet. Each is only about the size of a tangerine now.
So what was your verdict on Karp's Sweet?

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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2025, 07:45:50 PM »
An update:

The Karp's Sweet in southern California did finally produce one big fruit. Unfortunately some animal (either a possum or racoon) made several bite marks into it and deep scratches. Despite this, I did pick the fruit and get an opportunity to taste it. I think it would likely have been able to ripen a little more if it had been left on the tree longer, but with the damage I do not think the fruit would have lasted longer.
It was a huge fruit, much bigger than any apple. (Maybe even a little bigger than a typical grapefruit bought from the supermarket)
The taste, as best as I could tell, was similar to the Crimea. A little dense but kind of edible, but a little too acidic to really fully enjoy eating very much of. Maybe I would say it might just have been the tiniest bit more mild in flavor than the Crimea I tasted, but still "as good".

The next year after that the tree also produced a big beautiful yellow fruit, but an animal apparently took it and it disappeared. (Perhaps this should be taken as a good indicator, since I do not think an animal would have taken a regular quince)

I can't say for sure whether the fruits on the tree are growing so big due to the variety, or the warm climate with a long growing season.

The tree is growing in almost solid limestone soil.

Overall I would say this is a fruit regular people could enjoy if cut very thin and served with some savory dipping sauce (which is the traditional way this fruit is enjoyed in some parts of Latin America).
It might not be something most people would get extremely excited about, but it has a different enough sort of flavor that it could be worth growing, especially for those who like to grow unusual and exotic fruit.

I did cut the Crimea up, boiled the pieces in water for 5 minutes, then seared the pieces in a pan with butter and honey and served them to a 7 year old boy who apparently enjoyed the snack and said they were good, without being asked. This was when the fruit was still smaller sized and less ripe.

I also did find a very large Aromatnaya quince at a Persian market. The fruit was huge and better quality than an ordinary quince, to the point that I could almost eat it raw. I even handed a thin raw slice to a family member who normally does not have much enthusiasm for quince or trying things like that, but even she said she considered it edible and "almost like apple". (It still, I would say, was not quite up to the level of edibility raw as the other special quinces described above but it was close) It ended up being baked into a delicious dessert with pears, to the point that one could almost not tell at all which pieces of baked fruit were pear and which were quince, the flavors all melded together. (I did boil the quince pieces in water for 7 minutes before they went into the dessert to bake, to be sure they would be fully cooked and end up a similar consistency and texture as the pears)
The Aromatnaya might have a little less intense flavor and aroma than other normal varieties of quince, but despite that I would say it is a very good quality variety, and much more on the side of being "edible", if not cooked, or especially if not cooked very long. For cooking in a dessert, I would say that the Aromatnaya may be preferable to the Karp's Sweet, since it is a little more "substantive", might have just a little more flavor, but the Karp's Sweet may be a little better for eating raw, almost "crispy" (for a quince) and "refreshing".

I would not say they were extremely so much different from each other, however. What I mean is that if you have tried a fully ripe Aromatnaya, cut it into thin slices, and you cannot imagine it to be "edible" or do not think it is good, then you are not going to like Karp's Sweet either.

The Karp's Sweet that I tasted (which again, could have been a little more ripe) I really could have imagined to be like a less ripe Granny Smith Apple, except with more acidity (maybe just the tiniest bit mouth-puckering), and a little quince aroma.
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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2025, 09:52:11 AM »
Thanks for the info. I would have had fruit this year, quite a bit, if rust did not completely mess up the new growth on my tree this very rainy season. I will have to spray religiously next year. Hopefully next year I can report on my Karp's.

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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2025, 02:41:44 PM »
I would have had fruit this year, quite a bit, if rust did not completely mess up the new growth on my tree this very rainy season. I will have to spray religiously next year. Hopefully next year I can report on my Karp's.
As I said before, quince can be very difficult to grow, prone to disease, in hot humid climates like the U.S. Southeast or Gulf Coast. Arkansas (where you are) would not be the best place to grow it, I would imagine.

Quince prefers a climate that is not too humid in the summer, although it can handle humid summers better if it is growing farther north, like New York, Maine, or Michigan.

It doesn't seem to be bothered in Western Washington state, where it's only rainy and humid during the cold part of the year. Though I did notice the tree could be susceptible to rust in early May because it was so wet, after leaves were on the tree. But that was only because, I believe, a neighbor had just used a chainsaw to cut down a hedge row of Leyland Cypress, which sent fungal spores flying in air (the rust disease has a life cycle that alternates back and forth between pear-apple-quince and cypress). I spent a lot of effort treating and spraying the rust, and thankfully after the third year it did not come back.

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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2025, 09:17:51 PM »
In November 2024 I was able to purchase a couple of pounds of some very large fruit (much larger than quince sold in stores and seen growing in people's yards) with a tapered oval shape and the characteristic fuzz. They were perfectly edible raw IMO but did have a decently high pectin content. After discussing these particular fruit and the homeowners' location I bought them from, I was told that this variety was likely the Karp's Sweet, although I can't confirm unless the same seller offers them this year and I speak with them - I'll try to this November.

Anyways, after gathering the seeds and stratifying for about a month in the fridge, I was able to get almost 100% germination on the batch and potted them out. I now have about 18 total, with 9 in the ground. The ones put out in full sun directly from sprouting (Jan 2025) have shot off and the largest 2 measure approx 56" tall with a base stem witdth of 1/2". They have just started to branch out as well.

If anyone else has experience growing Quince from seed I'd gladly appreciate it, and if anyone would like one of the potted quince in the SoCal/Ventura county area let me know.

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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2025, 11:52:12 AM »
I just picked my Kuganskaya.
The outside of the fruit has an aroma of mandarins and Granny Smith apple. When I say mandarins, I mean half like Satsuma mandarin and half a more "tropical" aroma mandarin like Dancy. It shares a kind of "musky" aspect in common with the peel of mandarins, and like mandarins has a tiny hint of sweet vanillin in the smell.
The inside of the fruit smells like a Fuji apple, mixed with aromas of orange-color cantaloupe, honeydew melon, green watermelon rind, and maybe a small hint of unripe green mango.
I think these smell descriptions are very accurate. The strength of the smell is only about 20 percent stronger than a typical aromatic fresh apple. (Other quince varieties that need to be cooked seem to have a stronger smell intensity)

The fruits on the Krymskaya seem to be all heavily misshapen, affected by a disease that looks like some sort of scab, covered in pit shapes in the fruit. All the leaves look unaffected.
It looks similar to stony pit virus, though I'm not an expert. Though I'm wondering if it could be caused by some sort of insect. It's in a shadier spot, so maybe that means it dries out slower making it more vulnerable to disease.

I will try propagating it from seed. From what I've read, the virus transmission rate through seed is very low, less than 7%, and possibly less than 0.5%. (May make a good rootstock for some Comice pear seedlings I'm growing)

After trying the quince again, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't really fit for eating raw. Not because of the texture or astringency, but rather (unexpectedly) because it is too acidic. It's hard on my teeth because of the acid. But I cut up some small slices and boiled them in water for 5 minutes and they were good, almost had the consistency of a peach (maybe a crisper slightly underripe peach, or apricot just before it is juicy ripe). It only takes just a little bit of boiling water, and I think the water carries off most of the acid. (And this is discussing special quince. A regular quince would take much longer than 5 minutes)
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Re: Karp's Sweet Quince, and other Quince for eating raw
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2025, 09:55:57 AM »
I just picked my Kuganskaya.
The outside of the fruit has an aroma of mandarins and Granny Smith apple. When I say mandarins, I mean half like Satsuma mandarin and half a more "tropical" aroma mandarin like Dancy. It shares a kind of "musky" aspect in common with the peel of mandarins, and like mandarins has a tiny hint of sweet vanillin in the smell.
The inside of the fruit smells like a Fuji apple, mixed with aromas of orange-color cantaloupe, honeydew melon, green watermelon rind, and maybe a small hint of unripe green mango.
I think these smell descriptions are very accurate. The strength of the smell is only about 20 percent stronger than a typical aromatic fresh apple. (Other quince varieties that need to be cooked seem to have a stronger smell intensity)

The fruits on the Krymskaya seem to be all heavily misshapen, affected by a disease that looks like some sort of scab, covered in pit shapes in the fruit. All the leaves look unaffected.
It looks similar to stony pit virus, though I'm not an expert. Though I'm wondering if it could be caused by some sort of insect. It's in a shadier spot, so maybe that means it dries out slower making it more vulnerable to disease.

I will try propagating it from seed. From what I've read, the virus transmission rate through seed is very low, less than 7%, and possibly less than 0.5%. (May make a good rootstock for some Comice pear seedlings I'm growing)

After trying the quince again, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't really fit for eating raw. Not because of the texture or astringency, but rather (unexpectedly) because it is too acidic. It's hard on my teeth because of the acid. But I cut up some small slices and boiled them in water for 5 minutes and they were good, almost had the consistency of a peach (maybe a crisper slightly underripe peach, or apricot just before it is juicy ripe). It only takes just a little bit of boiling water, and I think the water carries off most of the acid. (And this is discussing special quince. A regular quince would take much longer than 5 minutes)

Dang I really need to try some quince, I never have. They sound so interesting. Thanks for the writeup