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Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« on: June 28, 2020, 08:03:24 PM »
Just wondering if anyone has ever seen fruit of either Biasong aka small flowered papeda and / or Samuyao aka small fruited papeda?
How do the fruit of either compare with Citrus hystrix/Makrut ? Are they fairly close or quite different? .

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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2020, 04:11:58 PM »
I was wondering about these other hystrix subspecies. Looks like there is not much info out there on that I could easily find.
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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2020, 09:01:25 PM »
Yes they seem to be confined to the Philippines, and maybe rare there. I can find pics of the fruit, Samuyao is like a tiny Hystrix and Biasong like a longer smooth version.
I would like to find out if the fruit are that much different to Hystrix ? I guess they are distinct so must be somewhat different, but are they worth tracking down ??
There might be a few other close relatives also.

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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2020, 03:46:55 PM »
I was looking around because my friend has makrut lime that is thornless. She has had it for a long time and bought it randomly at a grocery store. It bears fruit and has no thorns, fruit and leaves just like Makrut. Have you ever heard of a thornless citrus hystrix? That is how I found the other subspecies, in searching here. Since they are mostly wild trees i assume most/all of them have thorns. She is Thai and tells me even her family in Thailand do not believe she has a thornless makrut.
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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2020, 07:39:49 PM »
There are 3 varieties of  Hystrix budwood available in Australia. One has reduced thorns that don't get far past the leaf stalk, even more so as it matures.
The seedlings still seem to come out thorny.

Plankton have you and your friend tried growiing the seed from your friends thornless plant to see if they also come out thornless as seedlings
or if that plant is a one off ??

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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2020, 11:31:21 AM »


We have not planted the seeds. I was under the impression that citrus seeds do not produce the parent tree, so did not cross my mind to start some of the seeds; will plant some out. After searching around I read lime trees have a good chance of being true to the parent.

We do not live near each other so have to rely on mailing each other material. Looking forward to getting some seeds and budwood from her. Thanks so much for sharing what you know. Here is a photo of the tree. It isn't the best quality but I cannot see any thorns. She told me sometimes a thorn starts but stops short or falls off. She has had the tree for 20 years and bought it when it was a little over a foot tall.
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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2020, 11:41:30 AM »
Sorry if I have hijacked your thread, pagnr, but I am very excited to discuss this topic you have started.
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Re: Citrus hystrix/Makrut vs Biasong vs Samuyao
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2020, 06:55:58 PM »
Plankton, thanks for your posts, it's very interesting. Thank your friend for the photo.
Hystrix are highly identical from seed. I heard that bunches of seedlings are sold for their leaves in Thai markets.
Some Citrus vars are highly identical from seed, ie Key Lime. Rootstock vars need to have low seed variability to get uniform grafted trees.
Other vars are highly variable from seed.