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Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« on: November 17, 2020, 08:39:48 PM »
How are the Zill's stuff getting into the US? Why aren't the large litchi's not available in the US? How would they get here? I see that some nurseries in Oz have cultivars that originate in florida? How did they get there?

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2020, 08:45:18 PM »
Lots of ways, use your imagination.
In many cases people apply for legal permits which are granted and they move the product.
In other cases select material goes in the mail or in peoples pockets to wherever.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 10:46:31 AM »
Well the Zillís and their farming projects are in Florida so they did not have to travel far.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2020, 11:30:53 AM »
Lots of ways, use your imagination.
In many cases people apply for legal permits which are granted and they move the product.
In other cases select material goes in the mail or in peoples pockets to wherever.
When or if the U S Agricultural Department requests you where you got this present cultivar of tropical fruit plant which is not grown or imported as per their records they can easily find out from where, how and when it was brought to U S by verifying their records.  Because we need (1) a permit to import that plant (2) a phytosanitary certificate from the country of origin (3) While brought to U S soil you need the Customs and Agriculture officer's approval and plant quarantine for certain period before it is released to the traveler and importer!

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2020, 12:12:13 PM »
It is widely rumored that Huanglongbing (citrus greening) was brought into California by a foreign national legally travelling to the US, who brought infected citrus cuttings in his/her luggage, and then grafted to friends' and relative's residential citrus trees. They apparently tracked this person down, but he/she was long gone back to country of origin.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2020, 01:15:45 PM »
How are the Zill's stuff getting into the US? Why aren't the large litchi's not available in the US? How would they get here? I see that some nurseries in Oz have cultivars that originate in florida? How did they get there?

Not Zill since He is In USA , but

Remember mango can be Monoembryonic (producing one plant, that is not a clone
  or polyembryonic,  and will come true to type producing 2 plants

That is sad about the citrus cuttings (I quote)

because maybe that citrus could of just been grown as a seed, and be a clone of the mother plant.
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Most common citrus such as oranges, grapefruit, lemons and most mandarins are polyembryonic and will come true to type.

Pholloxera almost wiped out the European grapes when in the 1800's the parasite started killing all the vines in Europe After someone brought American grapes over
 T.V Muson saved the wine of Europe by grafting to American root stock since it is resistant
 because  the disease came from the USA grapes, and the adapted immunity .

Also some diseases are harbored on other species
(like our native TEA Franklina alatamaha or the lost camomila )
 is harbored on cotton to cause a disease on it.


I would always be interested in going to some place , and getting permits to bring back stuff
I think you also have to trail it by the USDA one green world does it a lot (forgot his name)
 one plant  (in the apple family) he had  to destroy as it was becoming invasive.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2020, 01:17:49 PM by Francis_Eric »

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2020, 01:16:46 PM »
Anyone know how much these permits cost to get a idea for seeds

I do hear for green tissue USDA has to test
Anyone know of a price to send stuff (like cuttings out of country? or bring them in)

Someone asked me to send to Europe cuttings but do not want to spread a disease
(lemon quince cydonia taste like lemonade when made)

I though 100 bucks , but maybe if they agreed to send weird seeds I'd pay for the USDA certificate  for them.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2020, 01:23:33 PM by Francis_Eric »

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2020, 05:39:28 PM »
Anyone know how much these permits cost to get a idea for seeds

I do hear for green tissue USDA has to test
Anyone know of a price to send stuff (like cuttings out of country? or bring them in)

Someone asked me to send to Europe cuttings but do not want to spread a disease
(lemon quince cydonia taste like lemonade when made)

I though 100 bucks , but maybe if they agreed to send weird seeds I'd pay for the USDA certificate  for them.
The USDA does not charge anything for permits. It only charges if you want to get a phyto certificate to ship plants to another country. That costs $64.
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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2020, 05:49:05 PM »
Thank you so I can get scion wood to another country if someone asks without worrying about spreading a disease.

Does the other end of the Country have to file permits ?
If so Any places that are a hassle ? ---
I heard Brazil is cracking down on importing, exporting (on this forum)


would Love to bring in some Strange cultivars over sea's someday .. (of anything)
May want to get a Nursery License someday for low volume, and buying in bulk
do not want to get black listed as well or lose the opportunity to Use a license for a number of years.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2020, 06:06:57 PM »
I read the Japanese loquat cultivars in the USA are from seedlings of the Japanese varieties. About persimmons I read that live plants could be imported to the USA until 1914 IIRC.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2020, 12:48:59 AM »
Thank you so I can get scion wood to another country if someone asks without worrying about spreading a disease.

Does the other end of the Country have to file permits ?
If so Any places that are a hassle ? ---
I heard Brazil is cracking down on importing, exporting (on this forum)


would Love to bring in some Strange cultivars over sea's someday .. (of anything)
May want to get a Nursery License someday for low volume, and buying in bulk
do not want to get black listed as well or lose the opportunity to Use a license for a number of years.
Every country is different, so it's hard to generalize. The most difficult ones are 1) Australia, 2) New Zealand, 3) USA, 4) French Polynesia. All others are way easier. You can contact USDA and they will tell you what are the requirements of any particular country you want to ship to, and what is restricted, and what is allowed.
Oscar

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2020, 05:03:50 AM »
Stealth and defiance are also in the mix.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2020, 11:51:27 AM »
Ohh, nice question! i was wondering something similar I have 2:

1.) I want to buy citrus seeds from abroad: can ordinary household gardeners get a phyto-sanitary certificate?

2.) what about importing tubers and rhizhomes? Is it the same process as seeds or are there extra hoops involved

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2020, 04:53:58 PM »
Thank you so I can get scion wood to another country if someone asks without worrying about spreading a disease.

Does the other end of the Country have to file permits ?
If so Any places that are a hassle ? ---
I heard Brazil is cracking down on importing, exporting (on this forum)


would Love to bring in some Strange cultivars over sea's someday .. (of anything)
May want to get a Nursery License someday for low volume, and buying in bulk
do not want to get black listed as well or lose the opportunity to Use a license for a number of years.
Every country is different, so it's hard to generalize. The most difficult ones are 1) Australia, 2) New Zealand, 3) USA, 4) French Polynesia. All others are way easier. You can contact USDA and they will tell you what are the requirements of any particular country you want to ship to, and what is restricted, and what is allowed.

I second Australia as #1.  They have quite the reputation. Forget imported material, even state to state trafficking is taken quite seriously.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2020, 05:18:33 PM »
Yes it is oppressive however slippery stuff routinely passes through the fine mesh.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 05:22:26 PM »
Being descended from criminal stock has its advantages and there is an imposing variety of tropical fruits regardless of restrictions.

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Re: Naive question: How do cultivars get from country to country?
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2020, 06:09:44 PM »
Ohh, nice question! i was wondering something similar I have 2:

1.) I want to buy citrus seeds from abroad: can ordinary household gardeners get a phyto-sanitary certificate?

2.) what about importing tubers and rhizhomes? Is it the same process as seeds or are there extra hoops involved
Citrus seeds not allowed into USA. Tubers and rhizomes considered plants, and are a lot more difficult to bring in. You would need a phyto from the exporting country.
Oscar

 

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