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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #200 on: April 29, 2013, 07:35:06 PM »
I will have to look into getting a yellow then!!! since i am cleary a jabo addict, what other varieties would you guys recommend me trying to get? I have a sabara, trunciflora, grimal, vexator, red, sabara X.  I am trying to get my hands on a white but i cant find one anywhere, and most places i called down here are out or havent heard of it.  So other than that am I missing any must get jabos ( that are available in the us) ??

your missing about 75 varieties!  All must have!  :P

Honestly I think everyone should have at least 4 varieties...preferably 8 or more.

Here are my must haves!

Sabara
Grimal
Red
trunciflora
Blue (vexator)
yellow (glazioviana)
Cambuca
beach cambuca (strigipes)
coronata
paulista
white (aureana)
wine white (phitrantha)

with all of those species...you'll never have a dull moment...you'll get all of your vitamins and minerals...and your house will be the hang out for cat birds, cardinals, rats, and crazy fruit collectors.

Unfortunately, if you collect all of those species, there are cultivars of those that are supposedly superior.  There are also dozens of other species worth collecting.

But you've come to the right place to learn about your problem  :)
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #201 on: April 29, 2013, 08:11:33 PM »
75!!!! man dont tell me that, i dont have enough room on my property lol.  Even the species that you mentioned, are they all available in the US, i can see most of them are but even some nurseries i call down here only have the standard jabo, which i think everyone said is sabara?? i am going to snap some more photos wed of my meager collection.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #202 on: April 30, 2013, 08:49:58 PM »
too many varieties, not enough space!  Put them all on one tree!

Its a challenge to prune them properly, but I believe the multi-grafted trees will be popular in the future.  I think all of the varieties should fruit nicely on the old branches...and even the rootstock should make some fruits if you are lucky!  They fruit down to the dirt!

I finally got some decent picture of the cocktail trees to show all of the different branches clearly.

Here are some flicks...
 Left trunciflora, right Red.  (I've been pruning trunciflora to keep it smaller)


Red lower left, Grimal Upper left, Red Top/middle, trunciflora right (very large, needs pruning...again!)


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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #203 on: April 30, 2013, 09:49:48 PM »
Thats awesome, keep us posted! Id love to see if they would fruit at the same time.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #204 on: April 30, 2013, 09:53:40 PM »
Nice looking plant Adam! Should be very interesting looking once it starts fruiting! Should be a very valuable plant especially to us collectors!

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #205 on: April 30, 2013, 10:14:26 PM »
Very very nice pictures of your multi-grafted trees Adam, you are the Jaboman for sure great work, can't wait to see them fruiting! 8)

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #206 on: April 30, 2013, 10:16:11 PM »
thanks Scott & Ed!  It's just a little tree I'm growing, nothing special.  ;)

Kgknight,

I doubt they will all fruit at once..but maybe 2 varieties at once.  I think the trunciflora and grimal are on different schedules!  But sabara, Red, and Grimal are close!

I bet the tree is still a good 5 years away from being able to have all varieties fruiting!  I think red will be first, followed by grimal, sabara, then trunciflora!




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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #207 on: April 30, 2013, 11:13:08 PM »
Adam even if you get two different varieties fruiting at once, it would be a sight to see.  Might even be the only tree around that is doing that.  The reds fruit 3-4 years from seed right?

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #208 on: May 01, 2013, 07:06:07 PM »
Adam even if you get two different varieties fruiting at once, it would be a sight to see.  Might even be the only tree around that is doing that.  The reds fruit 3-4 years from seed right?


Yes,

Reds take about 2.5-5 yrs to fruit.

Here are 4 varieties fruiting at once! On separate trees though  ;D  I wonder how many other people in the USA were eating the same four fruits today?

Trunciflora had to be picked early...the animals have been shredding them!  They would have been much sweeter, but I still enjoyed them very much.  Very smooth texture..maybe silkiest of them all.  They seem to have 2-4 small seeds per fruit, and very thin skin.  There were much larger fruits than the ones I had pictured.  I think this one might be the largest fruited of the 4, maybe tied with Grimal.

Grimals were picked about 5 days prior, and were refrigerated, so they appear a bit wrinkled....they were the best of all four...the flavor reminds me of a concord grape but better.  Have about 1-3 small seeds per fruit.  Fruits are nice sized, and came off of containerized trees, only about 7ft tall.

Sabaras were delicious and very sweet as usual.  Very smooth texture.  small seeds.

and the reds taste like blueberry yogurt.  Very thin skin, texture much like Sabara....smooth.

left to right, trunc., sabara, red, Grimal



different pic, top left Grimal, lower left trunc., top right red, lower right sabara


halved top left trunc., lower left Sabara, top right Grimal, lower right red

residual seeds...some were accidentally consumed.  Top left red, lower left Grimal, top right Sabara, lower right trunc.


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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #209 on: May 01, 2013, 07:18:17 PM »
Wow Adam! Those are great pictures. So it seems like you preferred Grimal and the birds prefer Trunciflora. It would be interesting to hear back from you after you have had a fully ripe Trunciflora.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #210 on: May 01, 2013, 07:28:15 PM »
Tomas,

I've had trunciflora perfectly ripe! It's excellent!!  But I still prefer Grimals..it's the concord grape flavor I guess.  Trunciflora is nice because of the low tannins, and large size of fruits.  They're also silky smooth, the texture is excellent.

BTW...the tortoises that live below a Sabara tree were being hand fed again today...I seem to do this once a year at least...it's one of my favorite ways to share jaboticabas with other jaboticabaholics...even if they're cold blooded, and reluctant to come out of their shells!  :D







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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #211 on: May 01, 2013, 07:51:22 PM »
Those Tortoises are awesome, I can't believe they live in your yard, really cool. Oh and all the Jabos you are dining are awesome too, I'm jealous.  All my trees are still getting established in my yard. Adam the trunciflora, I haven't seen that variety anywhere, is that considered fairly rare? The Grimals almost look blue!!!

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #212 on: May 02, 2013, 02:29:19 AM »
Adam, great comparison shots! Loved the tortoise photos. 8) Thanks for sharing.
The Grimals do indeed look bluish, kind of like vexators. The truncifloras look like larger version of the red jabos.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #213 on: May 02, 2013, 11:20:32 AM »
Those Tortoises are awesome, I can't believe they live in your yard, really cool. Oh and all the Jabos you are dining are awesome too, I'm jealous.  All my trees are still getting established in my yard. Adam the trunciflora, I haven't seen that variety anywhere, is that considered fairly rare? The Grimals almost look blue!!!

Yes the trunciflora is hard to find in FL...I suppose because it's really sensitive to high pH...and takes a while to finally fruit, even longer than Sabara.

Those tortoises aren't mine!  they belong to a friend...and they live in a pen right underneath a jabo tree!  Let's just say they keep the area beneath the tree totally free of weeds, and they also spread quick release fertilizer frequently!  The jabo and the tortoises are a wonderful match.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #214 on: May 02, 2013, 12:49:29 PM »
What's funny about the jabo in Florida is that alot of the folks selling them don't realize that some of them are different varieties. Actually until this forum I didn't realize it either. Also I have learned that I own a grimal and trunciflora and I know the people that sold them to me did not realize it either. Now I am going out of my way to find the different varieties but its kinda funny. Most of the trees I have or find at shows, nurseries etc are sabara.
I saw some marked are crown 1,2,3. Anyone know what their actual names are and what the fruit are like?

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #215 on: May 05, 2013, 06:21:07 PM »
recently grafted jaboticaba from last year...growing nicely.  I think I've finally identified this one.  It's one of the many forms of M. cauliflora...not paulista...maybe ponhema? (PS..JFW69, I think this is the same variety that is in Madeira)


my friends M. aureana...recently planted.  The foliage was hanging below the container when the plant was in a pot, now it lays on the ground...the owner didn't have the heart to prune the tree.  Its about to push out nice new growth all over...its just recently came out of it's dormancy.  This spring has been wacky.


Grafted M. trunciflora.  Should grow like a rocket this year.  The planting location is perfect, with wind protection, acid soil, and good filtered sunlight.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #216 on: May 05, 2013, 06:38:07 PM »
adam, on the aureana is that leaf browning common? i get something similiar on my other jabos but its a darker brown ?  I water them quite a bit but i have had a jabo get overwatered and the leaves turned a light brown.  The darker brown seems to be different though and kinda common from what I have observed.     

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #217 on: May 05, 2013, 06:44:38 PM »
yes it's normal!

those leaves are from last year...and that's what the winter seems to do...burns the leaf tips, then they're eventually shed.

I've seen them (jabos) look horrible this time of year...only to sprout out with new lush growth all over.

You can overwater/fertilze them for sure though..and yes the leaves will turn brown...almost like what you see in the picture.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #218 on: May 05, 2013, 06:52:06 PM »
The leaves of the white look alot different then most of the varieties I have seen.  Does the white have less of a cold tolerance? its a nice looking tree thought. 

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #219 on: May 05, 2013, 06:56:38 PM »
The leaves of the white look alot different then most of the varieties I have seen.  Does the white have less of a cold tolerance? its a nice looking tree thought.

yes...I believe it's a bit less cold tolerant...it might survive brief exposure to 25F, but I've never let them go below 32F.

I think temps around 40F can cause defoliation...the tree is semi deciduous in it's native habitat.
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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #220 on: May 05, 2013, 06:59:14 PM »
good stuff! Jabo related question for you or anyone else.  Is Harri Lorenzi's book Brazilian fruits and cultivated exotics a good book to further educate myself on Jabos?

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #221 on: May 05, 2013, 07:39:09 PM »
good stuff! Jabo related question for you or anyone else.  Is Harri Lorenzi's book Brazilian fruits and cultivated exotics a good book to further educate myself on Jabos?

yes I got my copy from www.fruitlovers.com

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« Reply #222 on: May 05, 2013, 07:56:00 PM »
Very cool pic's of your trees Adam, it looks like you have very sandy soil, thanks for posting.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #223 on: May 06, 2013, 12:26:04 AM »
Scott,

sometimes I like to graft two scions on one tree.  That's what I did for my friends trunciflora.  I figured he'd have twice the biomass.

the soil is sandy!  The jabos seem to like it!!  This guy has about 10 varieties in his collection!! He's a high ranking official in the jaboticaba jurisdiction.

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Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« Reply #224 on: May 06, 2013, 08:09:30 PM »
One of the best features about the Red Jaboticaba (M. cauliflora hybrid), is that they're virtually everbearing.  The only months I have trouble getting fruits seem to be Feb and March, during the coldest part of the year, and right after.

If you have more than one tree fruiting, they'll produce more fruit than you know what to do with!  Here's a pair of trees that are in different stages of fruit development, the pics were taken today.

I better hurry up and pick these...the cardinals are crazy for them...as soon as they turn red, they get pecked!  I don't know how these fruits didn't get picked off yet.



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