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Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« on: January 22, 2025, 06:50:57 PM »
I want to domesticate Mayapples (Podophyllum spp.), Among the few best Super Cold Hardy Plants (Zone 3 Limit) that produce Edible Fruits with Tropical Flavors (Pineapple x Passionfruit). I don’t want mayapples to be a Forager exclusive, I want everyone to enjoy them too! Just look at that diversity! Landrace Crop potential!  ;D



HOW TO EAT
We must exercise caution because Mayapples (Podophyllum spp.) are very toxic plants, the only part that’s edible is the ripe fruit. Unripe fruits are toxic (Just like with Tomatoes, Black Nightshades & many other fruits) so no need to fear them. Simply rip open a ripe fruit, suck out the pulp, spit out the seeds & discard the skin. The seeds are not edible but should pass right thru if swallowed by accidentally (Key thing is to not crush the seeds, they taste horrible if you do). Breeding a Seedless mayapple may be a worthy goal if a Parthenocarpic form shows up.

Here’s what unripe Mayapples look like (Green, Firm & Taste Nasty). These unripe Fruits can be picked green (At just the first sign of whitening) to ripen off vine just like with Tomatoes, thus ensuring yield by beating the animals to it. This is how I ate ~40 Mayapple fruits when most foragers are lucky to even get 1, all I had to do was wait till they turn yellow at home.





PHYLOGENIC TREES
Here’s 2 Phylogenic Trees on Podophyllum Relationships (*Note Dysosma & Diphylleia are now Podophyllum species, there’s a good chance all are crossable with Mayapples).





SPECIES/VARIETIES
Below are all the Mayapple species worth exploring, I suspect all are cross-compatible (Especially with the aid of Mentor Pollination).

Yellow American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
The typical variety, these have a Pineapple x Sweet Tropical Passionfruit Flavor. Truly incredible for such a cold hardy species (USDA Hardiness Zone 3-9).



Many-Fruited American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum f. polycarpum)
An uncommon Multi-Fruited form of Mayapples. Normally each 2-leafed plant only produces 1 fruit, but this form can produce 4-6 fruits per plant. Sometimes this form simply makes 1 Huge Mayapple fruit, (Such Incredible Genetics, someone Needs to save these seeds).



Red American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum f. deamii)
A rare form of Mayapple with Pink Flowers & Red Fruit with Red flesh & Maroon Seeds. From all the research I’ve done, Nobody seems to have even tried it to describe it’s flavor.



Orange American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum f. biltmoreanum)
A Super Rare Form, Fruit with a rich apricot to mango-orange skin & yellowish-white flesh inside. It’s so rare I couldn’t even find a single photo! It was Discovered just North of Barrington Lake County Illinois by Mrs. Valerie Bordener. When not in fruit, it’s indistinguishable from the regular yellow fruited types.
NO PHOTOS EXIST!

Red Himalayan Mayapple (Podophyllum hexandrum)
Sister Species most closest Phylogenically to the American Mayapple. These are also edible when fully ripe & Foraged sometimes in the Himayalan Region as a Wild Edible. Couldn’t find much info about their taste but some described it as ranging from tasteless to Tomato x Pawpaw Tropical Fruity flavor with strong aroma.



Many-Fruited Asian Mayapple (Podophyllum pleianthum & versipelle Complex).
Used to be it’s own Dysosmos genus, but now Placed into Podophyllum. This is actually a species complex & has some rare ornamental hybrid varieties. Fully ripe fruits should be edible & I can’t wait to try one! The Multi-Fruited Trait is super useful! Ripe Fruits come in a Red or Yellow & Flowers in a Dark Red, Pink, Yellow or with long petals.




Blue Mayapple (Podophyllum grayi)
AKA Skeleton Flower (Cuz flowers become transparent with water contact), sometimes placed in it’s own genus Dyphylleia grayi. According to PFAF these are edible (But no details were given). I did find a French blog that mentioned they’re edible & taste sweet/sour according to Japanese Nurseryman (Apparently similar to barberry?). Reguardless, these berries are very small but could provide useful genetics into a Mayapple Landrace.




Appalachian Blue Mayapple (Podophyllum cymosum)
AKA Umbrella Leaf (Diphylleia cymosa). Nearly Identical to Skeleton flower except it has fruits are slightly smaller, held on red stems (Pedicels) & Flowers don’t become transparent with water. No specific mention about edibilty for this exact species, but it’s Phylogenically sister to P. grayi, thus very likely has similar edibility. It’s a species I want to try tasting, seeds inside are red (Last Photo).




HOT TO GROW FROM SEED
Mayapples are relatively easy to grow from seed (I’d follow these tips for all species). Seeds need cold stratification & germinate best with light warm to cold cycles. You can just sow them outdoors in a pot or in ground to let nature do it for you or you can sow seeds indoors, (Cold Garage or Fridge can stimulate the needed Cold Stratification). You can speed up germination by putting ziplock baggie in fridge, then putting them at room temperature in Jan/Feb/March & seeds will germinate gradually. Seeds of different mayapple species Pictured below.



Once seeds have germinated, they will remain at the Cotyledon stage for 1 year without any true leaves (This is normal because that’s how mayapples grow, they are building a strong root system). Remember to transplant after plants go dormant cuz they can get root bound in a pot.





Here’s what the root system looks like below the shoot. You can transplant divisions easily once you get a good patch going (Great way to clone exact cultivars!)



Eventually after a few years your mayapples will start to flower/fruit. Most optimal fruiting happens sheltered under open canopy trees with lots of sunlight. Mayapples would grow perfectly under Fruit Trees, in a Food Forrest setting. The more sunlight, the more fruiting! I think the reason why they like growing under trees because is because of the sheltered environment & access to water (A good mulch may achieve the same effect).

My hope is to Inspire & equip you with the knowledge needed to grow & breed Mayapples. These wild edibles are just Begging to be domesticated, and with so many potential species to choose & Cross with, something truly incredible could be bred. So much untapped potential, I refuse to believe I’m the only one wanting to domesticate them, so join me & lets domesticate the Mayapples together!
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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2025, 07:39:19 PM »
Those sound great, I never even heard of them before and I like foraging too. Seeing this kind of raw passion for an overlooked genus is the best!

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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2025, 08:46:21 PM »
Thank you! I hope to find some passionate collaborators, working with others can speed run domestication. So many overlooked wild edibles are just begging for domestication.
Where do you forage btw? Mayapples might not grow where you live.
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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2025, 11:14:45 PM »
I used to live elsewhere but now I'm in the Pacific Northwest, do any grow here? And more importantly, *can* they be grown here? I kinda wanna try!


(by the way your profile picture porcupine is really cute)
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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2025, 04:21:18 PM »
Thank you! I hope to find some passionate collaborators, working with others can speed run domestication. So many overlooked wild edibles are just begging for domestication.
Where do you forage btw? Mayapples might not grow where you live.

I'm fairly certain mayapples were at least partially domesticated by the Indigenous people in their native range in North America, so what we have now is a mixture of truly wild populations and feral populations descended from improved selections of long ago. I read a lot about this many years ago but it was in a physical book in the library and I am struggling to find it now.


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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2025, 10:04:11 PM »
@gardenGnostic Thank you! Maybe I can make a YouTube Channel with that name ;)?

No Mayapples grow wild in Pacific Norwest Region yet, but that's only because few people grow them. Pacific Northwest is the Perfect climate for them to grow in. Mayapples love to grow undertrees with consistent moisture, they fruit well in more sunnier areas of a forrest.

If you want seeds of the American Mayapple, I'll gladly trade you some just PM me.

@drymifolia This is EPIC! That's exactly the kind of thing I was hoping they did. I wish a lot more of this info was documented, so we could learn from them. It could help explain why some populations have larger fruits or why some Orange & Red fruited forms exist. Makes me wonder why Pawpaw (Asimina triloba) fruits are so big? Could the wild forms actually be surviving dependents of cultivated/domesticated plants? Is Asimina parviflora actually the true wild species & Asinima triloba semi-wild? It would make sense for some cultivated/semi-wild forms to survive being perennial so I don't think it's far fetched to assume the same thing could've happen with Mayapples.
Pawpaw has such a huge "Native" range but makes me really think that Native Americans spread it's range far & wide like their own flavor of Johnny Apple Seed but for Pawpaw. After all why can't plants form a symbiosis with Humans? Wide-spread distribution may also explain why there's so much variety in flavor, Each eco-region where they grew selected for different traits. American Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum) is also very widespread but Appalachian Blue Mayapple (Podophyllum cymosum) mostly confined to the southern Appalachian Region, maybe Podophyllum cymosum wasn't involved in cultivation like Podophyllum peltatum was.

Lots of crops in the EAC (Eastern Agricultural Complex) have been lost, reverting back to their old forms. It just happens that most EAC crops are annuals, but such reversion to wild forms would be less in perennials right? Surely Native Americans Cultivated Mayapples, American Passionfruit, Pawpaw, Giant Solomon Seals, ect too right? I'm just thinking they had to have some perennials in the EAC too (Technically Sunroot is one of them & perennial)!
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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2025, 10:12:58 PM »
Absolutely yes, pawpaw was domesticated. I don't think the entire species is the domesticated form of some other species, but there are large groves of better-quality fruit near known Indigenous settlements, and plenty of evidence that the distribution of the species is at least partially due to human influence. I am positive I've read about this in some pawpaw books, and there's lots of information about this available, e.g.:

https://apalacheresearch.com/2021/06/24/the-indigenous-agriculture-of-the-americas-pawpaw-fruit/


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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2025, 03:11:17 PM »
Are you saying Asimina triloba is a species complex with many subspecies that Native Americans Introgressed so thoroughly that they became one species? That's what happend with Cucurbita pepo & Cucurbita texana, same thing with the Cucumis melo complex which consists of many subspecies (Explains why Cucumis melo has so much diveristy if many species made up it's genetics).

I'm thinking of bring all the Mayapple species together & introgress throughly so they all become a 1 species hybrid swarm. If our Human ancestors did it before why can't we do it again (Especially if left over or abandoned semi-domesticated forms of Mayapples still exist for me to continue the domestication work with)?
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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2025, 09:55:50 PM »
I live in a forest and have been looking for something that would grow under shade. I'll definitely consider growing these.

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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2025, 02:43:42 PM »
You should put Chicken Wire around the Plants Possums will get them

I ate one of these Taste like Citrus in a way .

There was a Now sold Nursery in Oregon  that hybridized these
with Chinese ones to make the leaves pooka dotted
I have the Link you need to activate it on internet archive
(or way back machine) but I got to look for it in emails --it's over 15 years old.)_

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Re: Let's Domesticate the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum)
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2025, 03:29:31 PM »
I couldn't find it, but google (spotty dotty off memory )Asian one
(the one I'm thinking is different looking A Family owned Nursery had it it had more green.)

https://plants.littleredfarmnursery.com/12230004/Plant/7673/Spotty_Dotty_Asian_Mayapple/




See quote Be aware that this can be pretty caustic
The roots can be used to put on warts to eat away a wart (and will eat away flesh)

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BERBERIS FAMILY (e.g. Podophyllum peltanum): Slow active purgative. Research has shown these herbs to have a strong action against cancer and they have been used with many cancers, especially Ovarian cancer. In Cancer Watch March 2015, an ingredient Berberine, was shown in research to outperform brain cancer drug, Temozolomide in vitro. It was also shown to act synergistically with it and improve its efficacy.
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