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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2025, 05:56:12 PM »
You misunderstand the issue. No one is saying that the plants are diseased, but they could be, which is precisely why there are laws regulating imports.
A phytosanitary certificate is there precisely to rule out possible infections.
The fact that it is completely prohibited to import citrus fruits into the EU is very annoying, and it is also debatable whether it really has to be an import ban, but that is the legal situation.
That simply has to be said.
And once again, plants from China are not always infected, but without a plant inspection (phytosanitary inspection), it can happen.
I don't pretend to discuss or even talk with you again! I present everything very clearly... each one take his decisions and i thank to everyone that already are trusting me.

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2025, 06:18:48 PM »
Just to be clear this is the legal situation:

(everyone take his decisions and maybe you have just luck)
 

At the EU border, checks are compulsory.
Any plants coming from outside the EU must enter via an EU Border Control Post (BCP) and get document, identity, and physical checks.

Who is the importer?
The person the parcel is addressed to is treated as the “operator responsible for the consignment.” A seller or “middleman” in the EU doesn’t change that if the box ships to you directly from a non-EU country.

Pre-notify in TRACES (CHED-PP).
Before arrival, the operator responsible must file an online Common Health Entry Document for Plants & Plant Products (CHED-PP) in the EU’s TRACES system and present the parcel at a BCP.

If something’s wrong, you pay.
If the consignment fails the checks (wrong papers, pests, wrong routing, etc.), authorities can order destruction or special treatment and bill the operator responsible for the costs.

Phytosanitary certificate is mandatory.
Plants for planting must be accompanied by a valid phytosanitary certificate; only a few narrowly defined items are exempt.

Some plants are classed “high-risk.”
The EU keeps a High-Risk Plants list that are temporarily banned from import until a risk assessment is done. That is the case with Citrus.

Bottom line:
Even with an EU “middleman,” if the parcel ships directly from China to you, you are the importer. Without BCP entry, CHED-PP, and a valid phytosanitary certificate, the shipment will be stopped and usually destroyed at your expense, and you can face national penalties on top.

e.g. Germany: fines up to €50,000.
If you break plant-health rules, German law allows administrative fines up to €50k (on top of losing the goods).
« Last Edit: October 19, 2025, 06:20:37 PM by mikkel »

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2025, 06:21:37 PM »
Thanks to everyone that are trusting me!

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2025, 08:52:16 PM »
Just to be clear this is the legal situation:

(everyone take his decisions and maybe you have just luck)
 

At the EU border, checks are compulsory.
Any plants coming from outside the EU must enter via an EU Border Control Post (BCP) and get document, identity, and physical checks.

Who is the importer?
The person the parcel is addressed to is treated as the “operator responsible for the consignment.” A seller or “middleman” in the EU doesn’t change that if the box ships to you directly from a non-EU country.

Pre-notify in TRACES (CHED-PP).
Before arrival, the operator responsible must file an online Common Health Entry Document for Plants & Plant Products (CHED-PP) in the EU’s TRACES system and present the parcel at a BCP.

If something’s wrong, you pay.
If the consignment fails the checks (wrong papers, pests, wrong routing, etc.), authorities can order destruction or special treatment and bill the operator responsible for the costs.

Phytosanitary certificate is mandatory.
Plants for planting must be accompanied by a valid phytosanitary certificate; only a few narrowly defined items are exempt.

Some plants are classed “high-risk.”
The EU keeps a High-Risk Plants list that are temporarily banned from import until a risk assessment is done. That is the case with Citrus.

Bottom line:
Even with an EU “middleman,” if the parcel ships directly from China to you, you are the importer. Without BCP entry, CHED-PP, and a valid phytosanitary certificate, the shipment will be stopped and usually destroyed at your expense, and you can face national penalties on top.

e.g. Germany: fines up to €50,000.
If you break plant-health rules, German law allows administrative fines up to €50k (on top of losing the goods).

Mikkel,

Thank you for taking the time to try and explain the situation.


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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2025, 01:51:02 AM »
Thank you Muralihin and Mikkel for your clear
words and information.
And I think and hope that everyone who loves citrus
looks for and keeps regulations to stop spreading of
all kind of citrus pests only for commercial sake.


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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2025, 05:02:15 AM »
Well i tried to share all this wonderfull varieties but greedy and envy are rulling...
I will not go on with this. All this is a big hypocrisy... All collectors just get his trees and materials on official nurseries that then sell fake varieties? All of you are saints? All of you dont try to get the real varieties other way? I rest my case!

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2025, 05:07:42 AM »
No one is claiming that these are fake varieties, no one is claiming that the plants are guaranteed to be diseased.
No one is saying that you don't deliver good quality.
The point is: it is not legal to import these varieties into the EU.
The buyer then bears the possible consequences of this.


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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2025, 11:14:23 AM »
No one is claiming that these are fake varieties, no one is claiming that the plants are guaranteed to be diseased.
No one is saying that you don't deliver good quality.
The point is: it is not legal to import these varieties into the EU.
The buyer then bears the possible consequences of this.
Yes your shity EU nurseries with fake varieties are much better... congratulations, you destroyed a dream! I will continue with my paradise just to myself!

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2025, 02:46:08 PM »
No one is claiming that these are fake varieties, no one is claiming that the plants are guaranteed to be diseased.
No one is saying that you don't deliver good quality.
The point is: it is not legal to import these varieties into the EU.
The buyer then bears the possible consequences of this.
Yes your shity EU nurseries with fake varieties are much better... congratulations, you destroyed a dream! I will continue with my paradise just to myself!

Luis, you've been a great member of the forum for many years. Please don't get so upset with Mikkel for just pointing out the laws regarding importation of Citrus into the EU.

The US also has strict Citrus importation rules as well.

In the US and the EU, Citrus is a multi billion dollar industry. No one wants new diseases and pests coming in from China. While the trees may look healthy, that doesn't mean they are free of new diseases.

If you are able to follow all import/export laws and regulations for Citrus, you would probably do very well. If no one else has your varieties, I think people wouldn't mind paying the extra costs associated with doing it all legally and above board.

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2025, 03:20:40 AM »

If you are able to follow all import/export laws and regulations for Citrus, you would probably do very well. If no one else has your varieties, I think people wouldn't mind paying the extra costs associated with doing it all legally and above board.

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2025, 12:18:29 PM »
Luis it sounds like you have great varieties. I don't think the members are saying you aren't trustworthy, it is just equally important to follow the quarantine and photosanitary laws.

Take this as an example someone imported decorative stones or the story goes- something innocent- from China and introduced the invasive laternyfly from egg cases that were on the stone. Now this pest has virtually no predators on the east coast USA and is having a great time multiplying. It is better to be cautious than pay for it later. 
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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2025, 04:17:28 PM »
Hello everyone! Im anouncing that me and my chinese partner we are selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties. They are true and not from seed. For any informations please contact me.
Best regards for everyone!

Hi Luis!

I'm very sorry to have to say this, but what you are planning is illegal both in the US and in the EU. There are very harsh fines and the authorities will shut down your business when they find out about these citrus imports.

Please do not attempt it, the authorities are very strict and you will get in a lot of legal trouble.

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Re: Selling Japanese and Chinese citrus varieties
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2025, 11:11:20 AM »
How do you guarantee the cultivars are true to type?
Thank you very much for your message. Yes i totally garantee because i know my partner and totally trust him. He just buys from producers he knows that have true and healthy trees.
By the way i can share a bit of my story with my partner. I start to be a costumer as any other, buying from him at least since 3 years ago. I saw how he behaved as a seller, how everything goes with my trees, etc. With time we start to totally trust each other, he start to hask me advices, etc. We got real close friends and share our particular life sharing family pics etc. Later we start to talk on developing our mutual trust to turn on business partners.
This is our story. I continue to get a lot of trees from him to grow my particular collection, but im really happy to helping him selling his trees and developing this business. People in west don't imagine what fruit tree chinese market is... they have everything! They have what we still don't imagine here, from citrus to temperate and all tropicals possible! Im really happy on doing this! I have citrus growing on my land that are still unknown in west... this tells everything!
Best regards, Luis

You write that you have bought many plants from him over the past few years. But I have not seen you mention that you tested them for CTV when you got them?

You mezntion that you trust him, but even from "trusted" nurseries in Europe I have received CTV positive plants, so to me it would make no sense if you get plants all the way from China and then not even test them?

Or have you tested them?


Besides this, I agree with averyone that you should not do, or offer to do, anything illegal. If you offer phytosanitary passport only as an option, because it's expensive and not everyone wants to pay for that, you are still offering to sell plants without phytosanitary test. So it's still wrong and illegal to offer that.

If you want to do any business I would recommend to only sell fruits. Or possibly seeds. Not sure if shipping seeds from China is legal or not (I'm afraid it's not), but I think your friend could maybe ship fruits to you, then you take the seeds out and then offer the seed.