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The Citrus I have
« on: October 19, 2025, 12:50:45 PM »
Hi all,

I am starting a thread to document my Citrus adventures and experiences for all who care to read and also for myself, so all relevant info of my plants will be stored here. Be warned: it will be a long read, I apologize in advance. Any questions, comments, recommendations are welcome, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about anything.

Last February I was surfing on the web and I accidentally ran into some hardy Citrus, I think it was some yuzu stuff. Then I found Virginia Fruit Grower's hardy Citrus taste tests, I got into his Changsha selections and the next thing I knew, it was late at night. Well, it's been going on pretty much like that ever since.

After a lot of reading I decided to get some plants hoping they would survive in my zone 7 garden. You know, just a few ones for fun's sake. Then I found this forum and began to read about the crosses you guys make and the light went on in my mind: I want to do this! I want to have the excitement of finding out crosses that may work, spotting seedlings with all the expected and unexpected leaf shapes, growing them to cropping trees, evaluating their fruit, hardiness and all. So I carefully selected 4 varieties to cross. Great, let's buy them! Oops, some of them are in the US only. Hm, what to do? Oh, wait a minute, they say Thomasville is nucellar. What does it mean? Long story short, I spent hours every day reading the forum and studies online, checking all available webshops and I soon knew 4 plants wouldn't be enough. Maybe a dozen would do. (Edit: of course not. Not even three dozen.)

So I began to buy trees, get and grow rootstocks, buy grafting tools, ask for material and advice. I owe you guys a big big thank you for all the useful info, seeds, seedlings, budwood, plants, shipping assistance and everything else. Many of you have been very generous to me, and I am really grateful for that.

So I am presenting what I have now, then I will tell you about what else I plan to acquire, finally I will go into details about the breeding directions I aim to follow. My primary goal is breeding but it takes a lot of growing to do some breeding so my growing skills will obviously need to improve.

To be continued...

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2025, 01:11:32 PM »
Collection

I am starting with the ones I bought, in chronological order.

Yuzu N4 and Ichangquat 6-7-2 (hardypersimmons.eu)

They were the first ones I bought last autumn, grafted on PT. They have Adavo labels.
When they started to push, I saw spots on them. Okay, it must be sunburn. Two weeks later they looked very bad, and I soon saw the spots on the neighbouring plants, too. Mites dropped by to say hello. I sprayed them twice before I could say good bye. By that time, most of my other plants also had already been attacked. But since then, all new growth has been nice dark green.

I wanted N4 because some sources say it's the hardiest yuzu and its fruit is big and a bit sweet, compared to N1 and N3. Even if it's less productive, that made me curious.

Ichangquat has it all. Good absolute hardiness, deep dormancy, very quick fruit production. What else can you ask for? Well, sweet fruits, which happen to be a number one priority for me. That will be a matter of further crosses. Ilya says its seedlings usually die after a while but as a pollen parent, it can be usable. He has hybrids with Ichangquat as a father. So I have a few crosses on my mind with Ichangquat. More on that in the future projects section.

Ichangquat began to grow a good week after yuzu N4, when it had been hot for a long time. It really has a deep dormancy.

Xie Shan, Marumi and Clemenrubi (Lenzi)

They are probably all grafted on C-35 which is the primary choice of Lenzi these times. They arrived with the first flush of growth on, except Marumi.

Marumi was so tiny that Pietro generously made a partial refund for the plant after sending the pack. I didn't expect anything from it, having just 2 twigs of 4-5 cm length. Then in June it began to grow and had flowers, and the same happened in late July. The plant sadly dropped all handpollinated fruits but I'll be glad to try any fruit at all. Being a hardy and zygotic kumquat, I bought it with breeding on my mind. It has 2 open pollinated fruits.

Xie Shan came with three fresh little twigs but did nothing later on this year. Very early Satsuma, among the hardiest, taste test winner - yes, I must have it. In addition, its pollen is usable.

The fresh new growth of Clemenrubi was partially damaged, probably by frost. It put out a good second growth in July, making it the biggest of my Lenzi plants by a long shot. It's seedless when self-pollinated but it has zygotic seeds when pollinated (like clementines in general) so it's good for breeding. In addition, it's very early and its hardiness isn't that bad, either. What's not to like?

Malayan kumquat

My wife spotted it at a supermarket, it cost some 8 Euros. Based on the pear-shaped fruits, I thought it for a Fukushu. It had fruits in early April. I sowed all its seeds and I think pretty much all of them germinated. I posted about some weird looking seedlings:

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=45056.msg554971#msg554971

These seedlings died in September, while the others kept growing. I guess those peculiar leaves were the sign of some genetic defect. Later leaves looked just like any leaves of the other seedlings by the way.

Marcin and Till doubted it was a Fukushu plant with these long, spear-shaped leaves and after some research, Marcin identified it as Malayan kumquat (thank you!).

It's grafted on something trifoliate. I know it because I removed a shoot that came from under the grafting point.

Its old leaves were very thick and leather-like. They were drooping nearly all the time when I placed the plant outdoors. It started to grow in June and had many flowers. Then it had a second flush/flowering in July and a third in August. It's flowering freely. Just like Marumi, it also dropped all the handpollinated fruits which is very annoying but it's also still a small plant so there is time for crosses later. By the way, I don't know if it's zygotic or not. I know it's less hardy than most kumquats. But why not cross it if the chance arises. Its seedlings grow well and I find no root rot problems with them which I think is not common among kumquat seedlings. I delibaretely gave it much water to test its susceptibility to root rot but it seems to be just fine. I found a flowering Lipo lemon at a garden center when the last flush of flowers were open so I collected some pollen. It seems I will have a few pollinated fruits. And the first set of fruits began to turn yellow already in late September. Is it ripening earlier than other kumquats? Yes, it is! The fruit more ecposed to sun is fully yellow/orange by mid October. That means mature fruit in 4-5 months. Very good! I picked the first fruit today, you can read my review after the introductional posts. Our last couple mornings brought the first frosts and this plant lost a few leaves outside at the terrace. It must have faced about -3⁰C. Many leaves have a brownish hue.

The fruits it had in April were probably overripe but they tasted like Nagami. Sour flesh (a bit toned down by April) and sweet, somewhat dry, oily rind/albedo. What I found really strange is I tried to make a cross-section of the fruit by cutting it in two pieces and the rind just came off the fruit halves in one piece like mandarin peel. I think that's quite unusual for a kumquat. Zipper peel. But again, the fruits were a bit dry already so they were past their prime which might be an explanation for that. If anybody wants seedlings next spring, I have about 15 ones I can spare.

Iwasaki and yuzu N30 (Vessieres)

Vessieres don't ship to my country so a Citrus friend helped me with my order in April. Thank you Ulrich!

Well, these two are also nice plants, grafted on PT. I was shocked to see they both had 20+ flower buds when they arrived in April. All flowers on Iwasaki (and N30, too) resulted in little fruitlets. Then Iwasaki dropped them all when they reached 1 cm size. End of story.

However,  N30 kept them all a lot longer. After that, there were a few weeks when nothing happened. Then it dropped most of them, the remaining six began to grow like crazy. Another one fell off, then another one, so now I have 4 fruits. One of them is pollinated with Bajusz, one with HRS899 O/Q. I have no idea if N30 is zygotic to any degree or not but if these fruits get to ripen, I will find out soon enough. The fruits are turning colour in mid October, showing the slightest yellow hues.

I expected N30 leaves to have wider petioles due to its yuzu heritage but most leaves look just the same as Iwasaki leaves. N30 has very little growth due to its fruitload. Iwasaki grew two moderate flushes.

The genetics of N30 make it a must have for me. Iwasaki is a very early ripening Satsuma. My favourite Citrus have always been mandarins, and early, hardy Satsumas are top choices for further breeding. I remember a post by Ilya in which he writes that Satsumas are more likely to have viable pollen (or any pollen at all) if temperature is high. I can confirm that. Iwasaki had no pollen at all until a very hot day (30⁰C) came around Easter. On that day I saw pollen on the single open flower. Good to know for the future. If you have a potted Satsuma and you want its pollen, it might be a good idea to place it in a full sunny spot or close to a heater indoors.

Owari FS (Anjou Citrus)

Thank you Rei for helping me with shipping!

It's my understanding that Francis Soules is an Owari selection that's one or two degrees hardier than regular Owari. That means it's among the hardiest mandarins available on the market, along Keraji D14 and some Changsha strains.

Cara Cara and Amoa8 (Citrus és pálma)

These arrived from a domestic webshop in June. They are Italian import plants. I have no idea about their rootstocks.

They are huge, about 130-150 cm high including pots. Cara Cara had 8 little fruits when it came but they fell off one by one. Amoa 8 has a darker foliage with yellow hues. It must be some nutrient deficiency. I fed it well but it didn't get much greener through the season. For whatever reason, both of them were planted in rock solid clay in foil containers. Their soil lost water very easily so I planted them in normal pots. Their original potting mix might be the trouble so I think I will take them out of their pots next spring, remove some of the original rootballs and fill up the space with fresh potting mix.

Cara Cara is my favourite orange. Its milder, soft flesh and its taste make it the best orange I have ever tried. And its colour is beautiful. A study says that Cara Cara pollen has very low viability, and being an orange, it's probably quite nucellar, too. That is if you get lucky to find a seed at all which is unlikely to happen. But its fruit is so good that I don't care. It's one of the few Citrus that I don't mind having despite the fact that it's not really usable for crosses. And that's a shame because I hear it's a quite hardy orange.

Amoa 8, on the other hand, is a cornerstone of my breeding ideas. Its red colour looks beautiful. As soon as it starts flowering, it will be used big time. Blood yuzu, blood kumquat, Ichangblood are among my projects. And I think I will try it with some Poncirus hybrids, too.
If I recall it correctly, Till said he had spotted some hybrids among its seedlings so it might not be totally hopeless as a mother plant. The 'strong' pollen of Ichang IVIA is a likely candidate for a good partner. We'll see.

Bendizao / 4475, Tada Nishiki / FA5, Keraji D14 /Fa5 and Clemyuz 2-2 / FA5 (Greffeur d'Agrumes)

I ordered these guys in July from France. There is quite a buzz around Tada Nishiki so I thought why not get a seedless yuzu. I guess this is from a seedling because it's tested negative for tristeza while most European Tada Nishiki in circulation (I mean the little there is at all) is said to be infected.
I read the name 'Bendizao' in an article about Jiouyuezao. It's very hardy and it has somewhat different genetics from the regular commercial mandarins.
Keraji D14 is another hardy mandarin, presumably the hardiest Keraji variant. Some Keraji strains are palatable well before complete ripeness (like the ones owned by Tedburn and Tom McClendon) so I'm curious how it tastes.
Clemyuz 2-2 is a worthy variety in itself but as Mulberry says, it's fairly zygotic, too. That makes it an ideal mother plant in my book.

They survived the long journey well, except Clemyuz which had some terminal dieback from heat. I fed them and placed them at a spot with dappled sunshine and all of them began to sprout out a bit. Clemyuz got downright crazy, it put out 8 lengthy side shoots from the upper end of the central stem. I see it growing well in August like yuzu N4. It's a good thing while they are in pots, becoming bigger and maybe offering a better chance for spring flowers. It would be a problem though in ground. I guess you must apply Citrus feed sparingly after July for all Citrus trees planted in ground.

Yuzukichi/PT and Cocktail pomelo/FA5 (Quissac)

They are smaller than the ones I received from Greffeur d'Agrumes but they are okay. They arrived in September so I don't have much experience about them at this point.
Yuzukichi Nagato is a very interesting variety, I hope this one will prove to be the same. From the descriptions, I guess it might be something like Nagasaki yuko, so it should be like a sweetish yuzu that happens to ripen early.
Cocktail pomelo/mandalo is another exception to the rule, just like Cara Cara. Probably it's not usable at all for hardy Citrus breeding but after reading a lot about it, I got super interested in its fruit so I pulled the trigger when it became available.

Tokushima yuzu/PT and Fukushu/FA5 (Quissac)

The main selling point of Tokushima yuzu is its early ripening. If it proves to be true, and if it's the same hardy and zygotic as the main yuzu selections (N1, N3, N4), I want to cross it with the hardiest mandarins to create a series of 'improved Clemyuz'-like seedlings. Changsha, Owari FS and Keraji D14 will be the other parents of these crosses which is great because they all have different mandarin genetics. One of these seedlings might meet most of my ultimate breeding goals (sweet fruit, hardiness down to -13/-14⁰C, good dormancy, early ripening). It might pair well with Clemenrubi, too, for a real, early ripening new Clemyuz. And by the way, Clemenrubi should be pollinated with the same mandarins. Hopefully, an early ripening hybrid will come along with the same hardiness as that of the mandarin parent.

Fukushu is praised a lot over the forum. It's reported to have earlier flowering than other kumquats so it might be some hybrid. Anyhow, it's a fun Citrus to have. But of course, trust me to pollinate it when I have a good partner in bloom.

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Re: The Citrus I have
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2025, 01:33:33 PM »
Seedlings

I have a lot but now I will go into details only about those which show some interesting features.

Pursha: I have one of the lot which has radically different leaves from the rest. It has very low vigor, its leaves look like willow leaves. I'm sure this is a zygotic Pursha hybrid. But if I look at its leaves, I have no clue what the pollen partner could have been. Maybe willow leaf mandarin, C. aurantium salicifolia, or an Eremocitrus or its hybrid? Tell me if you have an idea. And one seedling has wider petioles then most others. Pictures:








Taiwanica: one seedling of the batch has a bifoliate leaf. I learnt not to be too enthusiastic about some miraculous looking first leaves. I made that mistake more than once. In my experience seedlings can have all kinds of leaf shapes and when they have 4-6 leaves, they usually have a break. And the final leaf shape usually comes afterwards. This bifoliate leaf is the 7th leaf of that plant. The next leaves will be decisive. The bifoliate 'glove' leaf is right next to the three dry spots:



Carolina lime: very different looking seedlings. Some of them have a very distinct first leaf which looks like it was formed by two little leaves that decided to grow into one. I don't know how to put it any better. In general, Carolina leaves are lush dark green, thick and smooth. Here are those weird first leaves/preleaves:













5 star mutation: also very different seedlings, from regular trifoliate to fully monofoliate.

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2025, 01:35:53 PM »
Planned acquisitions and why particularly them (feel free to chime in if you have first hand experiences)

Tunisian bergamot: unlike most bergamots which have a reputation to taste bitter-sour, this one is described as sweet. Probably a bergamot hybrid. If it has fragrant rind as other bergamots, it can be an interesting breeding partner for PT+ which would greatly benefit from some sweetness and good quality rind. But I imagine it could also create exciting offsprings with yuzu or Ichang for instance.

Arcobal: for me, its beautiful stripes and red flesh lend it the biggest appeal. It's also fairly hardy for what it is and a little sweetness is an extra.

Doppio Moro: blood orange with red flesh and dark purple rind. The gateway to all kinds of Citrus hybrids with red flesh and/or rind.

Yuzu IVIA: a good quality yuzu with a little sweetness. If it's the same hardy as N1, N2 or N4, it's a winner.

Golden grapefruit: another exception to the rule because I want it simply for the fruit. Golden grapeftuit won't be easy to get, being grown mainly in Texas.

Hyuganatsu and Haruka: sweet taste and sweet albedo are the catch.

Clementino rubino sanguigno: I'm a bit helpless about this one. Clementino rubino is often Amoa8, sold under an incorrect name by several big nurseries in Europe. But it seems there is a 'true' clementino rubino, I guess this is called 'clementino rubino sanguigno'. Please enlighten me if you know the answer: is it a red fleshed mutation of a true clementine or also just a blood orange hybrid? If it's a true clementine, then I guess it's zygotic and that automatically makes it a top choice for breeding blood Citrus hybrids. I have read so many contradicting info about it that I don't know what to think.

Poncirus+: it never hurts to have a PT selection with the same good hardiness, better quality fruit and some zygosity.

Ichang IVIA 358: from what I've read, this is the Ichang equivalent of Poncirus+. A juicier, better tasting, milder version of the basic species which also holds all the merits of the original. It seems like an excellent pollen and seed parent for breeding.

Yuzu kito: this is an old standard Japanese selection. If it's good enough for them, it's worth a try.

Keraji Voss Gelb: I read a thread in a French forum in which Alias praised the fruit of this Keraji selection. Some French nurseries sell a certain Keraji Djelb. Can anyone confirm if they are the same? The similarity of their names makes me think so. The hardiness of Djelb is rated the same as D14 which would be great news if true.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2025, 01:38:31 PM »
3. Breeding directions

This is where my imagination goes really unleashed.

I'm fascinated by red fleshed Citrus. So I want to create some blood yuzu, blood kumquat with Marumi, Ichangblood, blood citrandarin, blood bergamot etc.

Besides that, my general breeding directions are very simple:

Long, deep dormancy to avoid spring frosts and waking up too early, so it would be ideal to have the plant flowering in May when planted in ground

Sweet fruit that ripens before late October

Consequently it has to produce fruits very quickly (5 months from flowering)

Reliable hardiness down to -13/-14 ⁰C. That would be probably enough in my area in the foreseeable future

These are my wishes. Making them come true won't be that easy though. And of course there are many crosses which would be interesting just for the sake of it. So here are a few ideas, besides the ones I mentioned previously:

HRS899 O/Q x Honey Changsha/Owari F.S./Keraji D14/Amoa8/Clemenrubi

Honey Changsha x Ichangquat

Summer yuzu x Honey Changsha/Owari F.S./Keraji D14/Amoa8

Clemenrubi x Honey Changsha/Owari F.S./Keraji D14/Amoa8

Staraji x Honey Changsha/Owari
F.S./Keraji D14

Staraji x yuzu N4

Staraji x Clemenrubi both ways

Pt++ x Keraji D14

Bishop x Satsuma

Clemyuzquat (Clemyuz 2-2 x Marumi both ways)

Kiyomi x Summer yuzu

Ichang IVIA x Staraji

Clemenrubi x Marumi

Clemenrubi x Eremomandarin

Clemenrubi x Summer yuzu

Eremomandarin x Xie Shan

Arcobal x Honey Changsha

Amoa8 x Ichangquat

Yuzu N30 x Ichangquat

Honey Changsha x Ichangquat

Ichang x Xie Shan

Marumi x Keraji D14

Marumi x Eremomandarin

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2025, 02:08:58 PM »
And here is the first fruit tasting of the season!

Malayan kumquat

It's impossible to cut it in two halves, the peel of one half comes off in one piece. So what I experienced in April was not because those fruits were overripe. I never saw this at other kumquats.

4 viable seeds and an aborted one.

The rind smells nothing like regular kumquats when I scratch it. It has some vegetable smell with a hint if Citrus. Something like parsley. Not what you would expect. It isn't unpleasant just shocking.

Very little flesh. It tastes like a toned down Nagami, rind is thin, neutral tasting (maybe a little sweet but barely) while the flesh is sour. Not as overly sour as Nagami or Calamondin.

Not bad overall but I understand why its fruit is not sold anywhere. I wouldn't pay for it. If anyone wants those 4  seeds, let me know.

Arcobal Brix 7

I don't know how typical or representative this fruit is, I found it too hard to the touch so I kept it on the kitchen desk for a week before trying the fruit. No seeds inside. I found a few aborted ones though.

The rind is edible. Not especially good but I found nothing bad about it so I ate a chunk of flesh with a piece of rind.

The rind seperates from the flesh easily. Not zipper peel but I had no difficulty removing the rind. The flesh has a nice orange colour and tastes like a blood orange without sweetness. It's sour but not too sour. I could never eat a piece of lemon but I managed to eat a wedge of this one without swearing about it so it's surely milder than a lemon. The flesh is juicy but not overly juicy, I see more fibers than juice, if it makes sense. Its taste is more blood orange than Meyer. I wouldn't eat it out of hand but I imagine it can be good if a fruit is let ro ripe longer, maybe it can even develop some sweetness.

HRS899 O/Q Brix 13,5

A whopping 22 viable seeds in such a small fruit (and a few undeveloped ones).

I know from last year that it's no use tackling its rind so I immediately squeeze the juice by hand which happens quite easily. The juice has an agreeable taste. I remember it wasn't bad at all last year but I think it's better now. There is a little sweetness! Actually, probably quite a lot, enough to shine through the extremely acidic taste. I retried Arcobal again which now seemed more like a moderately sweet orange after the HRS899 O/Q fruit. So the HRS is indeed very sour. But I detect no bad flavours, and the hand-squeezed juice had no resin and no bitterness at all. Just acidity and a tiny bit of sweetness. I diluted the juice with water and it tasted good. Of course I could recognize the Poncirus heritage easily in the taste but only the better, floral part of it. All in all, it's a decent lemon substitute if you just need the sour juice.

There was resin on the knife after cutting the fruit. If I used a juicer, that would also be sticky. But I could juice the fruit very easily with my hand. There wasn't much flesh and most of it was seeds but what there was tasted good and held a fair amount of juice. One fruit would be plenty enough for a nice big mug of tea.







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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2025, 12:47:03 PM »
Hello Tamasz,
very nice to overflow your story and interesting to see,
how fascinating citrus are and people (also me) get
positively mad of them.
Good luck and success, I also like this forum due to
receice a lot of interesting information and also to share useful
information.
Regards Frank

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2025, 12:50:35 PM »
Yea I quite enjoyed the writeup and story, I see a lot of myself in it. Looking forward to the future posts! I also have a few random citrus seedlings with weird bifoliate leaves as well they are so interesting and exciting.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2025, 03:12:22 PM »
Thank you guys, much appreciated!

I had to apologize in advance for failing to be brief but I want to give all the info that I think is relevant. And I have too much to say. The next thing I know I will write about is yuzu N30. Fruits are becoming softer and a little yellow. I hope to have some updates within a few weeks.

BP, feel free to attach pictures!

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2025, 05:47:50 PM »
Congratulations! Your collection is very interesting!

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2025, 05:49:18 AM »
Thank you Luis!

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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2025, 03:46:54 PM »
This thread looks like it'll be an interesting one. You have gathered a nice collection of varieties, many prospective for breeding. I wish you good luck with growing Citrus and with your breeding plans!

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2025, 05:08:25 PM »
Thanks Marcin! Our breeding goals are quite similar. I'm the lucky one out of the two of us, having milder winters than the ones you are facing every year. On the other hand, if a variety works for you, that will surely work for me. So I will keep an eye on the damage reports you announce. Your crosses are inspirational. I also hope to grow out my first ever hybrid seedlings of my own within a few months. That is, if yuzu N30 shows any willingness to develop zygotic seeds, which I can't be sure of. We'll see. I will report what I find anyway.

By the way, more fruit reviews will come next week.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2025, 05:28:53 PM »
I like the skin color of your Arcobal photo. It reminds me of the Double Blood Orange x Meyer lemon fruit.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2025, 03:11:52 AM »
These names are synonyms, those two are the same variety. In Europe Arcobal is often used instead of the longer Meyer x Doppio Sanguigno name. As far as I know, there are several different hybrids born out of this cross but this is the only one that made a reputation in the market.

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2025, 03:29:41 AM »
More fruit reviews. A massive thanks to Robert for the Ichang and PT fruits!


Ichang IVIA F2 (seedling of IVIA 358) Brix 13

What on earth is that red middle part? Hm.

Rind is terrible. At first it's piney, or like juniper instead. Different from the Poncirus way of pininess. And when I start to think it's not that bad, comes an awful bitterness a second later, accompanied by a 'hot' spiciness, as if it was sprinkled with chili powder. Very bad. When I scratched the rind, I could smell that juniper-like fragrance with some citrusy notes. It was pleasant.
The flesh is absolutely fine. This is the first Ichang I have ever tried and I must say it's fairly good. No off-flavours, no bitterness, no distracting aroma, nothing. Just sour. There is a tiny bit of pininess in there but it's different in quantity and quality, not as distracting as is the case with PT. It's some extra interest. So I would say it's a good lemon substitute. It lacks the lemon aroma but it's sour, citrusy and juicy. At this hardiness point I think there is no place for complaints. Sadly, this fruit has no seed.

But that red part in the middle keeps me thinking. I tried a piece of that and it's nearly tasteless, without the sourness. It's also more solid, jelly-like. May it be an overripe fruit, starting to spoil? If you have more experience with Ichang, feel free to chime in.

HRS899 O/Q  Brix 15

I won't go into details again about it. It's the same but after two weeks in fridge, it's a bit drier. No surprise. It's a good fruit with an extra something above the lemony PT taste. Maybe a tiny bit of mandarin aroma. That and sweetness come a bit more dominantly now than they did a week ago. Again, at this hardiness point, we shouldn't complain. The fruit had 5 big seeds and 3 underdeveloped ones.

PT Brix 12

The biggest Poncirus I have ever seen. The taste is pleasant, I think it's less sour than usual but I instantly felt resin and stickiness in my mouth when I tasted its juice. There is a little bitter aftertaste, too. Just a tad. And interestingly, when I lick the fruit, there is some mealiness that I detect. Like there is some flour dissolved in the juice. And there is an extra flavour, maybe pomelo or grapefruit, making it more tropical than I would expect.
Overall it's not bad, it's very juicy and its taste is better than most PT I have tried. It's a shame about the resin and bitterness. 32 seeds in half of the fruit.

Bajusz Brix 13

Later today I managed to get Bajusz fruits. I didn't detect any big differences versus last year's fruits. Maybe they are less juicy now due to the extremely dry summer and autumn we had. But the taste is similarly good. Actually, it's quite like Robert's PT fruit but I think there is some hint of orange here instead of the tropical note of that PT. But we are talking about nuances. Bajusz juice has no resin and it's very sour. I tend to think it's a citrange or a citrange seedling which embraces its PT heritage a lot more than the Citrus parent. Its non producing sibling has significantly different leaves with more pronounced middle leaflets so I guess they are hybrids.

Before I forget, I will copy the links of these PT and hybrid fruit reviews in the 'Ponciruslike fruit comparison' thread, too.














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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2025, 07:54:20 AM »
Yuzu N30 turning colour:





I scratched a fruit and it has a wonderful fragrance. It's a mix between the heavy, oily, deep scent of Satsuma rind and the fresh, spicy, floral aroma of yuzu leaves. I'm very curious about these fruits.
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2025, 12:34:09 PM »
My first Marumi fruit turning colour:



It's lagging about 3 weeks behind Malayan. I recall they both started flowering around early-mid June. This fruit is from that first batch of flowers. That's not bad. If Marumi has the same ripening schedule, I guess this fruit will be ripe within another 2-3 weeks.

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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2025, 03:11:39 AM »
Yuzu N30 fruits have an orange colour now. They still have the slightest hues of green but I think they will be ready soon:






This smallest fruit is getting softer to the touch so I think this will be the first one to try, maybe next week.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2025, 12:56:34 PM »
Yuzu N30 Brix 12

Here is the day I have been waiting for ever since I realized I would have fruits on my little N30 tree. This is the smallest and softest fruit of the four. Fruits have an orange colour but they still have some greenish hues. Nevertheless, this specific fruit came off easily, I didn't need shears to remove it.

I found 15 seeds of varying size and shape plus an undeveloped empty one. This boosts my hopes about its possible zygosity.

The outer rind has a sweet taste first, then comes a little bitterness in an orange/lemon-like way. It tastes very intense and Citrusy with notes of mandarin/orange/kumquat but it's a little drier, not that extremely oily. The white albedo is moderately bitter, not that bad. Overall the rind is absolutely edible but not very pleasant due to the slight bitterness. Perfect for zesting though, I think it would be an excellent match for any dessert application. Good substitute for lemon or orange zest without compromises.

The scent is really nice and strong. I have never tried a yuzu fruit so I can't comment on how much it resembles yuzu but the deep mandarin aroma is here in spades, accompanied by a very spicy fragrance that I can smell when I crush a yuzu leaf. I can say this thing smells very pleasant.

The fruit is juicy, the flesh is sour. There isn't overly much flesh due to the size of the fruit. It's not as sour as a lemon, I would say it's on par with a ripe Meyer. I don't feel any sweetness. The high Brix suggests there is some but it doesn't cut through the acidity at all. Taste is refreshing with mandarin and lemon notes. Very Citrusy. Again, there might be yuzu notes, too, but I can't recognize them due to the lack of yuzu experience. But the green, spicy aroma of yuzu leaves is recognizable in the fragrance and partially in the flavour, too. Peelability is quite good. The fruit has not much flesh and texture but the peel is still relatively easy to separate.

I want to try the next fruit next week and go on with the remaining ones in that manner. I hope to find some sweetness in the last two ones.

The plant is still outdoors at the terrace, collecting some sunlight. The forecast shows no frost for a while so I think it's okay at this point.

I don't know what to think of this fruit. I was hoping for some sweetness but there was none. However, I think it was still a little underripe fruit and I must take into consideration the size of the plant. It's a wonder it raised 4 fruits. At this stage, I would say this fruit is an excellent exotic lemon substitute with an intense Citrus aroma (mainly Satsuma but not exclusively). And naturally, it has no off-flavours.








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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2025, 01:27:14 PM »
Last year, I harvested fruits that were sweet but a little watery, so the taste was a little bland, but definitely sweet.
I wonder what the reason is for yours being sour...?

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2025, 03:09:36 PM »
This is my first crop so I have no idea what these fruits should be like. But I guarantee this is not bland and watery at all. Sweetness may come in the later fruits during the next weeks.

I guess the difference has a lot to do with our different climates. Though my logic says my fruit with our hotter summers should be sweet and bland while yours should be the sour one.
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2025, 09:28:56 AM »
I hope your future N30 fruits will be better! I have not had any issues personally in getting sweet fruits on young trees, so I wonder what's going on... I wish my N30 didn't drop its fruits.

Also, we have similar breeding goals for sure, I am also trying to create sweet citrus with about -14°C hardiness. And a similar approach in choosing parents as well!

How do you manage your hardy trees in winter? Do you plan on protecting them?

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2025, 11:29:49 AM »
At the moment none of my plants is big enough to be planted outdoors. They all will be overwintered and I will feed them well next year to induce a strong growth. And then, in 2027 I want to plant a few ones in ground. I have read many reports about plants of otherwise hardy varieties that didn't survive outdoors because they weren't big enough. I don't want to make that mistake. They have much better chance if they are already strong. It might be unnecessary to be so cautious with a few of these varieties but I like to be on the safe side, even though I'm impatient and eager to plant something in the garden. I have no way of knowing what kind of winter is coming. Another year of raising Citrus in pots will be beneficial for me as a grower anyway. I will hopefully find the right soil mix and feeding pattern. This year was dominantly successful.

As for N30, it's possible that the fruits weren't completely ripe yet. They had some slight green hues. I checked the remaining three ones and one was a little softer to the touch again. I think I will try that one tomorrow. I'm very curious about the seeds because that fruit came from handpollination.

In the meantime my first HRS899 O/Q seedlings are coming up. So the seedling season is officially on for me. There will be many more to come so I will have entertainment for the winter months.

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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2025, 11:46:16 AM »
I thought I read citrus dont develop more cold tolerance when they get older? So in theory a well established 1 year old plant would do the same as the same plant a few years later? I am just thinking outloud, I have never done this it is just theory